I don't rate Voss but yep the recruiting has not been good enough.

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This. Pure and simple.

Not unhappy about tonight. Gave a good account of themselves. But it's still a bottom 6 side. I'll be happy with a 5 win season.

It’s probably the end of the line for Vossy.

But, whichever idiot thought it was a good idea to have Cripps on the bench to start the second quarter needs to go first.

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I've been very critical of Cripps, but you have to admit that he is still one of the best extractors in the game. The thing is he can't last a full game. So he needs a rest. We need someone that can give Cripps a chop out when he's resting on the bench. Who did that today? They weren't very successful. Do we need Ben Campo in to do that work?

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It's pretty disturbing how much the whole thing fell to pieces while he was off the ground.

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I think that was a coincidence, the crows setup and attitude changed after they copped a blast at quarter time, I doubt Cripps being on the ground would have changed anything. Remember he’s been in the middle during all the pastings we’ve copped in second halves all this year.

I get that we may not have the best players to execute transition from defence, but they don’t even try. I’d be happy I’d we were being beaten while trying to execute transition from defence. We just prop, wait, and kick long down the line ALL THE @#$%&! TIME.

That, and they were given four centre bounce (yeah I'll call it that till my dying breath) free kicks of dubious merit to really get the crowd rocking.

walsh having his 1 good qtr and then unable to break a tag had a huge impact at the opening of the 2nd qtr too. cerra invisible and hewett declining so rapidly my head is spinning.

but classic carlton logic:

lets sign walsh for 8 more years.

I thought Hewett was pretty invisible last night too

hewett so bad so far he can't even be picked. which is fair. he's been really poor.

Hewett is a liability because he can’t play a secondary role. If he isn’t playing midfield he must be on the bench.
The problem is Cripps only needs 20% of a break. If Voss was any kind of a coach, he would have recognised this earlier and started to identify the alternative plan.

We've changed everything about the coaching set-up except Voss and Hansen. Hansen is now in charge of the defense. The defence barely knows what it's doing. That's all I'm saying.

You need to remember that we have played with both Hewett and Cripps in the midfield for ever, it’s actually not.
When you train 4 out of the 6 players to be setup differently to Cripps and Hewett, then it will take time for the others to step up and cover. If our coaches knew what they were doing, they would have had a planB for Cripps or Hewett not being there at all, let alone both missing.

Our head coach isn’t up to it (imo) and most of our players aren’t up to it (according to many here). Pity for us that we are (supposed to be) a football club.

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We are on our way back...

I'd have preferred 5 years but can't agree with your logic there Braithy, all the great midfielders can be quelled by a hard tag, the way you mitigate it is by having other weapons in there so that the oppo now finds itself having to stop the next guy, which may in turn give the first guy his freedom back. So we should be looking for another Walsh, not ditching the original for not being able to do the impossible.

This isn’t purely Voss’ list. But it’s no longer not his list either.

We’re now far enough in that he’s had influence, but not full control. Which means the accountability is shared.

If the game plan isn’t working, that’s on Voss
If the list profile is unbalanced, that sits heavily with list management
If the two don’t align, that’s where clubs stagnate

Carlton’s issue over the past decade hasn’t just been coaching. It’s been building a list for a style that the game has moved past, then expecting the coach to bridge the gap.

So the real question isn’t is as simple as is Voss good enough?

It’s:

Has our worse case sceanrio become reality? Have both coach and list manager failed to read where the game is heading, even when it’s right in front of them?

Sacking Voss in-season isn't the answer. The list can't accommodate the game. Just don't renew the Voss and Austin contract at years' end. Announce it Grand Final eve.

Won't that be a distraction for us on the big day?

Not sure about the timing.

Surely that’d undermine our chances the following day…

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Missed it by that much…

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Turkish Proverb