I think I’ve been saying that all along, but maybe this is just a sycophantic post.

Clearly things went horribly wrong last Thursday and he should have been withdrawn from the game sooner. We will wait and see who did or didn't follow what process. But it seems to me you believe the Hollands family will be disgusted with the club. That may be the case, but it's also possible they feel the opposite. Let's consider a few things we do know:
(1) Elijah's problems with mental health and substance abuse go back a long way before Carlton,
(2) his first club decided he was too much trouble and sold him for a song so he could be close to family,
(3) he evidently screwed up at Carlton to have his contract ended and be delisted,
(4) he was advised to find a new club but could not, which suggests other clubs were not prepared to deal with his issues because he is clearly talented enough and would be available on minimum coin,
(5) Carlton were willing to let him earn another chance,
(6) by all reports- even by those reporters who are baying for our blood - the club has gone above and beyond to support his needs, and Voss has been a huge part of that,
(7) Elijah has a loving and supportive family, but as with so many families in similar situations, they have sadly been unable to save him from himself,
(8) his brother has publicly thanked the club for its love and support

Carlton Football Club has many faults and deserves criticism on so many levels, but they gave Elijah the chance to realise his dream when other clubs turned their back. That has to be worth something.

Please remember to shower after reading my toxic post, and leave your coveralls in the bin provided

This is very much how I feel

as for Voss I cant see him lasting year, I think we need change before then

I just hope when we do it we do a better job of it than St George did on Monday. Sakced a coach with no interim lined up (board in-fighting about which internal assistant it should be ) and had to cancel training because there was nobody to run it. So, I'm reasonably confident we can at least get over that bar.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

RIP Charlie Kirk (was/were)

Spot on.
Until we know more, we can only go by these known facts.

I'm not as confident as you.

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This is generational trauma, Dad.

I just don't understand this approach.
We have been down this path many times and we have never had any good results other than a quick sugar hit, so why do people still want to do it?
The last one was Bolton, as a result we made Teague interim coach and look how that tuned out.
If the players all hated Voss and they got together as a group and spoke to GW, I get it.
If we had a premiership list that was just failing, I also get it.
But nobody is hearing that internally, in fact it is the complete opposite and our list is no where near a premiership list.
I just don't get why Carlton supporters want to drag us back to the way it has been that has kept us down for so long.
Let him coach the year out, see what he and the other coaches can do, see what players need to stay or be moved on.
Make all the moves in the last month of the year and publicly announce changes at the end of the season.
We are not making finals so it is a good time to go through the whole club and see what is missing.
For me on-field leadership is severely lacking, I have said this many times, we are missing senior players that come from premiership teams.
Weitering, Cripps and Walsh as good as they are, are seemingly just not good enough.

I agree!
Too many people on here dream of the good old days when money was king. All we did was buy whomever we needed to ensure we had the players to make finals and grand finals. Nowadays money is not king, it is systems. And they can take a long time to develop and bed down. And it assumes you have the players on the park to practise, them which we know in the past we did not!

Spot on.

Don’t think you can read either
What happened to Hollands is his business. Haven’t any idea what’s happened to him.
But it’s the most disturbing thing I have seen on a sporting field to allow someone to play the game

One can predict almost with certainty what Voss and current coaching panel can achieve for the remainder of season 2026.
We’ll most probably finish up in 18th or 17th position, wining a few more games when circumstances are favorable.
Voss just can’t generate much better from the boys , if he were made of better stuff , a direction would have been clearer , not be a ruder less , disoriented team we unfortunately are.

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We have actually been in a position to win every game. We could have been 6-0, but we have had an inability to stop the run ons from the other team.

It could be psychological and in fact would be by now. The thoughts of "here we go again".

It could be a deficiency in coaching. There are team structures and relying on people who are getting too tired in games.

It could be leadership on the ground. Where is our Daicos, Heeney or Bontempelli who does something miraculous and says to his team "follow me"?

It could be general skills. Players that miss targets and turn the ball over. Players that lack poise. Players that can't tackle.

In 2023 we had a 4-7-1 start to the season and were languishing in 15th position by round 12. We then won 11 of our last 13 games to finish in the top 4.

This season can be turned around, although we have some different personnel now to then. It starts by a win against Fremantle. If we can't do that then it starts the following week against St Kilda. If we can't do that then we reasses the following week. Don't give up until it's impossible to change. If we get to that point then we look to next year.

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You are assuming my point and reasoning

It was wrong before because we had many issues and picked wrong people. What is choice now? Sit and do nothing and watch us get worse?

Voss has had 5 years at blues and 10 as a senior coach and nearly 20 years in coaching system. Seems obvious to me he isn't up to it

I don't see point of hanging on to him when it's obvious he won't be there next year and we are a bottom 4 side. We have played 2 top 8 sides in the first 6 games and have won 1. in the last 2 years we have beaten 1 top 8 side. Next month will really tell us a lot

I agree our list and leadership is lacking and needs to be addressed as well. this is more than one issue and i reckon GW has already made decisions anyway

Sorry but that is not entirely true.
They have made more changes to players and game plan in the first 6 weeks than we have over the last couple of years.
We have seen growth and increased skills from the playing group also.
Yes, we are not winning but at the same time we are not bottom of the ladder bad.
Our list is weak, it has holes, everyone can see it, everyone said we'd have a bad year losing the talent we lost.
I'm disappointed but not surprised.
If our players over the last couple of weeks had of kicked their easy shots on goals, hit easy targets and played harder for longer like they did last week, we'd be singing a different song right now.

As for questioning what a 3 time premiership, 5 time all Australian and Brownlow medalist is made of, that is just crazy talk.

I'm with you Malbi, let's get pumped.
Come on boys.

We have beaten Richmond by 4 points (bottom side) and lost to North, Melb & Pies. I reckon we are bottom 4 and getting worse. next few weeks will tell us a lot

I don't think I am.
You are saying to get rid of a coach mid season because you don't think he is up to it?
You say it was wrong before, how do you know it won't be wrong again?
Which assistant is going to rise from the ashes and be our saviour?
You say we are getting worse, I think the data suggests otherwise.
We just had the 5th hardest draw for the 1st six games, we lost game we should've won and we started off only playing 1 quarter and finished play the whole game bar 7min which is pretty much normal for most teams.
Our next 6 games are ranked 8th hardest and the following 6 are ranked 15th hardest IIRC.
We dropped one of our slow mids and it has changed our transition, we actually scored from transition last week.
Things are happening, changes are being made.
Yes we don't have the results yet, but you can't just look at as a win loss ratio and say we are getting worse.
If our 'players' converted easy shots on goal, this would not be a discussion.

And let's not make things up, Sydney in Sydney, Adelaide in Adelaide and Collingwood are all considered top 8 teams.
At the start of the season we all would've said 3-3 would be a great position for us after the first 6 rounds.

I think you are underrating Melbourne and North a bit, but in all 3 of those losses we were in winning positions during the game.
The playing group has had skill issues since pre-season, not sure why or how long or if they can fix them.
But if they could hit targets better and kick those easy goals........we would be having different discussions.
At least they ran the Pies game out, they just need to tidy up their kicking and things can change.
We won't win a premiership or make the finals, but I am sure we can keep improving, as we have.

where did i mention saviour
we have beaten one top 8 side in nearly 3 years
people come up with reasons why we lost but we still lost, good side wouldn't have
the issue for me is we also play poorly.
pies arent a top 8 side for me
i think we have many issues but coach is one. my opinion is after 10 years he hasn't shown anything to say he can coach

but my apology for having the wrong opinion