bondiblue wrote:
I'm not arguing.
In fact, I have admitted recently I've come to your side with regards to Ollie. I was the big Ollie fan and now I see he's a wingman or nothing. Hence the wing position is for the taking. May the best man win. I really thought you didnt want him in the side let alone in the backline. I am not protective of any one's spot in the team TBH. I honestly thought you said what I thought you said. Too light. Can't lay a tackle. Rag dolled. Kicking is a huge problem. I dont want him turning over the bal in the backline if that's the case.
As for the tagger. I like a tagger who hurts offensively. Everyone does. Lord dod that well last year. Chinka did it when defending the opposition's offensive HB. Chika kickes sneaky goals. That's all I meant. Players tagged usually have no defensive mindset. They want to escape the tag. This could back fire on them if the tagger has wheels.
Cerra isnt slow. And, do you really think Voss is big on the tag? He's not, and I dont know why you would think my thought of Cerra tagging NWM for this game, would have crossed Vossy's mind for Bolton. ???? Whats the connection. Mischievous perhaps.
As for Cottrell vs Ollie on a wing? May the best man win. Its not about my preference. Its about whose available, and what's best for the team.
Cottrell has played mainly HF under Voss and has tried to run his opponent off his feet and burn him off on the way back to the forwardline. I think Cottrell is a much better kick than Ollie. Ollie has to stop taking on the world and biting off more than he could chew.
Sorry, my mistake.
My issue with Ollie is his kicking into F50 and the need for high risk kicks to hit a target.
When he is kicking out of defence to low risk targets he usually gets them.
This is why I have never liked him on the wing, he lacks that damage going forwards.
Carroll is what I expect from a wing, good defensively and can be damaging going forwards.
Yes I have said he can't stick a tackle and is too light, but for some reason in the D50 most of the times he seems to be able to stop opposition players or at least put pressure on them.
I don't 'want' him out of the team yet, but if we had better players on the wing and in defence he wouldn't even get a game.
Fortunately for Ollie, we lack depth at the moment and he gives it his all so will be an automatic inclusion.
Although I think Wilson is starting to make his case now for elevation.
Either way, he'll be included and that is why I suggested moving the magnets to a position he has played and adding a defender onto a damaging offensive player that could potentially match him athletically (endurance questioning).
I agree we want a tagger that can hurt you the other way, but that is not what I thought you originally said, sorry if I read that wrong.
I forgot about Lord, but even he's not as agile as NMW but it would be a good education for him.
My thought was the match up, nothing 'mischievous'.
Rankine, Pickett, Naicos, Bolton, NMW are all fast agile players that will hurt you and so far we have been unable to shut them down.
We've tried a few different players and I am sure Cerra would've had a go also.
But my point is if Cerra was any good at shutting down those types of players with x factor, he'd have been doing it already and would've done that last week.
And I can't agree with you that he is quick, not my version of quick anyway and not NWM quick.
If we are going to add a slow mid on him, then bring Hewett back in for the shut down role, it'd be a better option than Cerra IMO.
I agree that Voss 'used' to play Cotts at HF, but we have Hayward and Ainsworth now so I doubt he will get a look in as I put them well above him in that role.
His spot is on the wing now but I do like the suggestion of him tagging NMW even though it puts Ollie back on the wing.
But that would not be my preference as I would like to see what the two C, double L's (Carroll and Cottrell) can do to our wings.
It has the potential to be the most balanced/damaging wings we have had for a long long time if Cotts steps it up to pre injury Cotts.
Cerra has played a defensive role: Defensive Mid (not tagger), and HBF (distributor).
If you think Hewett is quicker than Cerra, then lets agree to disagree. I cant see it. Can anyone else, other than Sidey?
I recall Cerra playing wing at Freo and carlton, but never Hewett (for obvious reasons imo)
My first preference, is not even in the AFL team: Saad.
I know this year may be Saad's last, and for that reason MC looking at the future, but he's got something other players on our list don't: Express Speed.
I want to win this game. Badly!
As for Cotts playing in the same team as Hayward and Ainsworth, I can't see why not. Cotters can do the hard HHF running back n forth (blocking lanes, and providing a link out of defense ... not a disposal accumulating role, but an important role if you want to see it), and Hayward and Ainsworth can stay closer to goal. Simple really.
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gets little of the ball (maybe one game per 8 he might get it 20), cannot tag, isn’t a great field kick - but for the love of god, he can play half forward - so if your going to play him, play him there!!!.
