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Keogh I think we will know more come years end.
But having him play in our VFL team, learning our systems and getting exposure to the bigger bodies is definitely putting him in the right position to be the best player.
The issue I have is we get penalised for doing it at the draft table as he will be ready to go round 1 next year.
I'm worried about him learning our systems.


What system? I suppose, get in a contest and kick long is a 70’s system. Play on.
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Absolutely Rob. By the end of this draft we will have spent 6 firsts for 3 players. Just nuts.
And Owies.

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Absolutely Rob. By the end of this draft we will have spent 6 firsts for 3 players. Just nuts.
We didn't have to
Austin is an idiot
Destroyed this list and the club with it

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Absolutely Rob. By the end of this draft we will have spent 6 firsts for 3 players. Just nuts.

I agree with this, but so far they were 2 mid first rounders in each draft and if we get 2 bonafide A graders and a 3rd this year I won't care.
But we have been screwed by the changes.
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Funny, it was only 6 months a go that most Carlton supporters were praising Austin for such a Fantastic Draft Campaign and how well he handled the Charlie & TDK Exit.

There was only me & few others who knew what was coming.

I Said that Reidy is no good. If he was, he would be playing Seniors at Freo. I got shut down quickly by Supporters posting highlights of Reidy in the WAFL and the Screamers he was taking...

I said Hayward & Ainsworth are average players who will struggle at Carlton. I got shut down quickly by stating how Hayward kicked 30 Goals last year and how Ainsworth was turning it on at the Gold Coast!

As for Florent, no one knew that last year, he was already iced and left out of the Senior Side because Sydney knew he was past it!


And what about the Jagga Saga? We gave up two first rounders to get a Guy who can't even kick for Goal from 20m out. He has no penetration in his legs and he is just a carbon copy of Cripps/Hewett/Cerra.... Aren't we already too Slow in the middle?

Mind you, I am sure Jagga is a Gun for future years to come, but at Carlton, Voss is already destroyed him! he is better off changing Clubs!


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Josh Treacy would be a good get. Like the way he goes about it and can kick a goal.
Pity we have no one like him.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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malbi wrote:
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Absolutely Rob. By the end of this draft we will have spent 6 firsts for 3 players. Just nuts.
And Owies.

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So, which pair of mid first rounders would you have played different?

Trading up for Jagga, or matching the bid for Dean?

Or, do you not want to match the bid for Walker?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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Josh Treacy would be a good get. Like the way he goes about it and can kick a goal.
Pity we have no one like him.



Did you know where Tracy came from? He wasn't even a top draft pick nor a late one!

He came from the Rookie List. This is how smart recruiting works. He was overlooked by all AFL Clubs despite the player he has become today!

We could have had him for Free if only we had scouts in all parts of the Country!


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Navy One wrote:
Josh Treacy would be a good get. Like the way he goes about it and can kick a goal.
Pity we have no one like him.



Did you know where Tracy came from? He wasn't even a top draft pick nor a late one!

He came from the Rookie List. This is how smart recruiting works. He was overlooked by all AFL Clubs despite the player he has become today!

We could have had him for Free if only we had scouts in all parts of the Country!


Scouts and smart recruiting ..... now there's an idea

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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malbi wrote:
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Absolutely Rob. By the end of this draft we will have spent 6 firsts for 3 players. Just nuts.
And Owies.

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So, which pair of mid first rounders would you have played different?

Trading up for Jagga, or matching the bid for Dean?

Or, do you not want to match the bid for Walker?
Why are you having a go at me? Did you have a bad night? All I did was point out that Owies was part of the trade to get Jagga too.

I literally have Jagga as my avatar. Of course I am happy that they did the trade to get him. As for Harry Dean and Cody, yes we have to get them in. Father and sons bleed blue (even if they play for opposition clubs apparently).

Do I support Austin as recruiting manager? No I don't. We have a terrible list.

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Funny, it was only 6 months a go that most Carlton supporters were praising Austin for such a Fantastic Draft Campaign and how well he handled the Charlie & TDK Exit.

There was only me & few others who knew what was coming.

I Said that Reidy is no good. If he was, he would be playing Seniors at Freo. I got shut down quickly by Supporters posting highlights of Reidy in the WAFL and the Screamers he was taking...

I said Hayward & Ainsworth are average players who will struggle at Carlton. I got shut down quickly by stating how Hayward kicked 30 Goals last year and how Ainsworth was turning it on at the Gold Coast!

As for Florent, no one knew that last year, he was already iced and left out of the Senior Side because Sydney knew he was past it!


If you declare everything as shit you're bound to get some right. Can you show any posts where you've made a positive prediction that came true?

I'll give you that Reidy isn't much good. We had to recruit a ruck, but maybe Flynn Riley or someone from state leagues would have sufficed. Reidy didn't cost much, but still looks a waste.

Ainsworth and Florent have been among our best players - you're welcome to disagree but TC MVP and Supercoach both agree - the eye test and the stat test. Hayward has been underwhelming so far but playing a different role. All 3 filled a gap in our age/ experience profile, as I've mentioned several times.

Bringing in these blokes for a half-arsed Curnow is not the problem, and I think it's still a good trade even if Sydney tops the ladder the next two years to put minimum value on the first round picks. Losing TDK and JSOS (at least while he's fit) have been more detrimental given our midfield and defensive capitulations.

But the biggest cause of our downfall by far is the shocking form of our key pillars: Weitering, Cripps and McKay. Our board-obsesssed friend keogh likes to talk about the fish rotting from the head, well it's certainly true in the microcosm of the football field.


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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 12:17 pm 
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Dodo27 wrote:
Funny, it was only 6 months a go that most Carlton supporters were praising Austin for such a Fantastic Draft Campaign and how well he handled the Charlie & TDK Exit.

There was only me & few others who knew what was coming.

I Said that Reidy is no good. If he was, he would be playing Seniors at Freo. I got shut down quickly by Supporters posting highlights of Reidy in the WAFL and the Screamers he was taking...

I said Hayward & Ainsworth are average players who will struggle at Carlton. I got shut down quickly by stating how Hayward kicked 30 Goals last year and how Ainsworth was turning it on at the Gold Coast!

As for Florent, no one knew that last year, he was already iced and left out of the Senior Side because Sydney knew he was past it!


And what about the Jagga Saga? We gave up two first rounders to get a Guy who can't even kick for Goal from 20m out. He has no penetration in his legs and he is just a carbon copy of Cripps/Hewett/Cerra.... Aren't we already too Slow in the middle?

Mind you, I am sure Jagga is a Gun for future years to come, but at Carlton, Voss is already destroyed him! he is better off changing Clubs!


Credit where credit due dodo. You did state all that.

I was one of those who thought Austin had done well before the TDK SOS Charlie exodus. I had the Tassie compromises in mind. Still no excuse, because we leak like a sieve, and thats on Austin and Voss, and their backers. I know Austin had a good record at Dogs n Tigers picking plenty of premiership players from obscurity. He hasn’t done it here, or Vossy has backed the wrong horses and now backed into a corner. Feel for him. His leaders have really let him down.

I hated the fact Austin didn’t replace any of Marchbank (CHB) Martin (Fwd-mid) Cunningham (Fwd mid), Sam Durdin (KPD), Mirkov (Ruck) Akuei (KPD). I was however happy getting Jagga and OFarrell Charleson and Matty Carroll. Like Jagga, Dean was worth two firsts and change. We need all the class we can get, then and now. We still didn’t replace the seniors we lost. Fail.

We should have known TDK was not staying and planned for it. Pitto is part time and Reidy is no time. That’s where the play starts and restarts. Huge fail.

Like SOS, Austin looking for basement bargains. We are paying for it. Next year taking Walker with our first or two firsts is worth it.

I think we were forced, by sentimentality to take the Campo twins, and we needed better in other positions than Evans and White. IMO asleep at the wheel and too much given to small forwards.

How can Hayward fall so far? I watch a lot of the Swans. There’s more to the story on Florent. He was very good, in a good team, and pushed out from his role by Bice and return of Gulden pushed….bla bla bla….Im defending their selections. They aren’t the issue.

We have holes

Start with our No 1 ruck who we need to carry after 60% game time. Huge issue.
Our midfield support in defence is a huge problem.
Engine room is a room of plodders, and people want to add Lord and Hewett to that group of Cripps Walsh and Cerra.

Jagga isn’t the finished product and Williams is only short term.

How do we fix Harry?
Who fills Govs forward spot next year?

Sure we have kids lining up but look at them…they are too young to star in 2026, 2027. Reason for that is we didn’t fill gaps.

Austin has a war chest. A full set of draft picks 2026-2028 we can trade.
If Board doesn’t challenge AFL and we don’t end up 18th, then it’s going to be tough getting 6-7 bonafide very good players to fill holes, and we continue to pick kids to perform like men.

Tic tic tic ….vossy alarm ….tic tic tic….about to sound.

As for our so called ‘Leaders’ futures are concerned, I’m sure the spotlight is on the,. Shouldn’t be. With Tassie coming on, we need them to stand up and build around them, or we will be cellar dwellers for next 5 years.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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GreatEx wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
Funny, it was only 6 months a go that most Carlton supporters were praising Austin for such a Fantastic Draft Campaign and how well he handled the Charlie & TDK Exit.

There was only me & few others who knew what was coming.

I Said that Reidy is no good. If he was, he would be playing Seniors at Freo. I got shut down quickly by Supporters posting highlights of Reidy in the WAFL and the Screamers he was taking...

I said Hayward & Ainsworth are average players who will struggle at Carlton. I got shut down quickly by stating how Hayward kicked 30 Goals last year and how Ainsworth was turning it on at the Gold Coast!

As for Florent, no one knew that last year, he was already iced and left out of the Senior Side because Sydney knew he was past it!


If you declare everything as shit you're bound to get some right. Can you show any posts where you've made a positive prediction that came true?

I'll give you that Reidy isn't much good. We had to recruit a ruck, but maybe Flynn Riley or someone from state leagues would have sufficed. Reidy didn't cost much, but still looks a waste.

Ainsworth and Florent have been among our best players - you're welcome to disagree but TC MVP and Supercoach both agree - the eye test and the stat test. Hayward has been underwhelming so far but playing a different role. All 3 filled a gap in our age/ experience profile, as I've mentioned several times.

Bringing in these blokes for a half-arsed Curnow is not the problem, and I think it's still a good trade even if Sydney tops the ladder the next two years to put minimum value on the first round picks. Losing TDK and JSOS (at least while he's fit) have been more detrimental given our midfield and defensive capitulations.

But the biggest cause of our downfall by far is the shocking form of our key pillars: Weitering, Cripps and McKay. Our board-obsesssed friend keogh likes to talk about the fish rotting from the head, well it's certainly true in the microcosm of the football field.


Thanks GE :thumbsup:

I think the last paragraph is the biggest concern. They have to improve or replaced. Finding a new star mid, star kPF and star FB isn’t as easy as it sounds, especially when we have other holes to fill, starting with ruck. Is there a cheap Grundy floating out there for the taking?

Look what Swans paid for Charlie. Doggies coukdnt find a FB when Jones got too old, until FS picks plugged them up, and where’s the next Lachie Neale or Dawson for a first round pick?

The hardest game in footy is attracting the best talent. Even harder for Carlton List Mgrs is picking the best talent with first round picks….gosh SOS fkd us up.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2026 12:26 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
Funny, it was only 6 months a go that most Carlton supporters were praising Austin for such a Fantastic Draft Campaign and how well he handled the Charlie & TDK Exit.

There was only me & few others who knew what was coming.

I Said that Reidy is no good. If he was, he would be playing Seniors at Freo. I got shut down quickly by Supporters posting highlights of Reidy in the WAFL and the Screamers he was taking...

I said Hayward & Ainsworth are average players who will struggle at Carlton. I got shut down quickly by stating how Hayward kicked 30 Goals last year and how Ainsworth was turning it on at the Gold Coast!

As for Florent, no one knew that last year, he was already iced and left out of the Senior Side because Sydney knew he was past it!


If you declare everything as shit you're bound to get some right. Can you show any posts where you've made a positive prediction that came true?

I'll give you that Reidy isn't much good. We had to recruit a ruck, but maybe Flynn Riley or someone from state leagues would have sufficed. Reidy didn't cost much, but still looks a waste.

Ainsworth and Florent have been among our best players - you're welcome to disagree but TC MVP and Supercoach both agree - the eye test and the stat test. Hayward has been underwhelming so far but playing a different role. All 3 filled a gap in our age/ experience profile, as I've mentioned several times.

Bringing in these blokes for a half-arsed Curnow is not the problem, and I think it's still a good trade even if Sydney tops the ladder the next two years to put minimum value on the first round picks. Losing TDK and JSOS (at least while he's fit) have been more detrimental given our midfield and defensive capitulations.

But the biggest cause of our downfall by far is the shocking form of our key pillars: Weitering, Cripps and McKay. Our board-obsesssed friend keogh likes to talk about the fish rotting from the head, well it's certainly true in the microcosm of the football field.


Thanks GE :thumbsup:

I think the last paragraph is the biggest concern. They have to improve or replaced. Finding a new star mid, star kPF and star FB isn’t as easy as it sounds, especially when we have other holes to fill, starting with ruck. Is there a cheap Grundy floating out there for the taking?

Look what Swans paid for Charlie. Doggies coukdnt find a FB when Jones got too old, until FS picks plugged them up, and where’s the next Lachie Neale or Dawson for a first round pick?

The hardest game in footy is attracting the best talent. Even harder for Carlton List Mgrs is picking the best talent with first round picks….gosh SOS fkd us up.

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Funny how everyone we've brought into the football department has done well at their previous club(s)

Except for one man...

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malbi wrote:
Crusader wrote:
malbi wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Absolutely Rob. By the end of this draft we will have spent 6 firsts for 3 players. Just nuts.
And Owies.

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So, which pair of mid first rounders would you have played different?

Trading up for Jagga, or matching the bid for Dean?

Or, do you not want to match the bid for Walker?
Why are you having a go at me? Did you have a bad night? All I did was point out that Owies was part of the trade to get Jagga too.

I literally have Jagga as my avatar. Of course I am happy that they did the trade to get him. As for Harry Dean and Cody, yes we have to get them in. Father and sons bleed blue (even if they play for opposition clubs apparently).

Do I support Austin as recruiting manager? No I don't. We have a terrible list.

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Oh Malbi. You’re taking it personally. It’s a question. Cru wasn’t having a go at you. You added Owies to add salt to the wound Surrey refers to using 6 firsts for three players. Owies didn’t get us a first, but helped us get HOF IIRC.

Jagga cost us 2 firsts we had in the teens. Gotta get class when you can.
Dean cost us one first and pushed another first back 6 spots. Gotta get class when you can.
Walker…will cost 2 firsts. Gotta get class whilst you can.

Charlie cost Swans 3 firsts. Cats offered 3 firsts. Stars win games. Stars cost.

Harry Crippa Weiters Walshy are not starring.

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bondiblue wrote:
How do we fix Harry?


We can't. Play him in the ruck though. If we ruin him, so be it. No loss.

bondiblue wrote:
Who fills Govs forward spot next year?


Ison. Same height. Same position.

bondiblue wrote:
Austin has a war chest. A full set of draft picks 2026-2028 we can trade.


Will need to get creative. In a year where we should be taking two kids in the first round, the club needs to figure out how it can still take two kids in the first round.

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Tic tic tic ….vossy alarm ….tic tic tic….about to sound.


He should stay until seasons end. Will get paid regardless and there isn't an assistant who is head coach material. Getting rid of Voss just excuses the board, CEO and players. They have their scapegoat.

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As for our so called ‘Leaders’ futures are concerned, I’m sure the spotlight is on the,. Shouldn’t be. With Tassie coming on, we need them to stand up and build around them, or we will be cellar dwellers for next 5 years.


Tassie isn't the same problem that GC and GWS was. They only get picks 1, 3, 9 and 10 in their first draft. They have to trade 5, 7, 11, and 13 for established players.


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Funny how everyone we've brought into the football department has done well at their previous club(s)

Except for one man...


Malthouse did well at his previous club...

I've long argued one of our biggest faults is always chasing yesterday's man: Pagan, Malthouse, Andrew Russell, Cook... Wright & Davies?? (!!).

With Voss we tried to buck the trend by choosing yesterday's nobody... at least in coaching terms :P


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How do we fix Harry?


We can't. Play him in the ruck though. If we ruin him, so be it. No loss.

bondiblue wrote:
Who fills Govs forward spot next year?


Ison. Same height. Same position.

bondiblue wrote:
Austin has a war chest. A full set of draft picks 2026-2028 we can trade.


Will need to get creative. In a year where we should be taking two kids in the first round, the club needs to figure out how it can still take two kids in the first round.

bondiblue wrote:
Tic tic tic ….vossy alarm ….tic tic tic….about to sound.


He should stay until seasons end. Will get paid regardless and there isn't an assistant who is head coach material. Getting rid of Voss just excuses the board, CEO and players. They have their scapegoat.

bondiblue wrote:
As for our so called ‘Leaders’ futures are concerned, I’m sure the spotlight is on the,. Shouldn’t be. With Tassie coming on, we need them to stand up and build around them, or we will be cellar dwellers for next 5 years.


Tassie isn't the same problem that GC and GWS was. They only get picks 1, 3, 9 and 10 in their first draft. They have to trade 5, 7, 11, and 13 for established players.


Appreciate it Doc :thumbsup:

Ison is a bit too young to be playing seniors, even in 2027 imo. I’d like the kids developing in VFL and when they have built their engines and stamina, bring them in. Wilson is in his 3rd year and only just started knocking on the door. Yesterday proved he isn’t ready yet, but next year….he turns 22yo and in a better spot to succeed in AFL. Ison turns 20yo next March. He may get a chance or a taste. My question is who takes Govs spot whilst Ison develops in the VFL.

I see Fritsch when I look at Ison. Ison 5cm taller but they present, mark and kick with similar style. Fritch made his mark when he was 21yo. No reason why Ison can’t make it earlier than Fritsch did. Personally, I thought Ison was strong enough to play AFL last year such is his strength. He’s a good one.

Gotta get creative to get two players in first round. I think we will end up 17th or 18th if Bumbers and Tigers beat us this season, and we won’t need to be too creative.

Harry in the ruck. I agree. Don’t think, do!

I never like idea of risking our KPF in the ruck but we just can’t go through the motions and watch him fumble, fall and miss straight forward shots at goal. Rinse and Repeat. Need a circuit breaker

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