After all this, we still have people believe we are not victimised by the AFL.
IMO, if you fine someone 75k - you need to prove why you've done it and not because 'it's the vibe'.

Interesting. So basic logic states that they think our medical staff acted inappropriately with the information they had. Or maybe they acted appropriately but Voss acted inappropriately with their advice. Or Voss acted appropriately but the runner acted inappropriately on his orders. Or the runner... ... or maybe I'm acting inappropriately by applying basic logic to anything the AFL does.

The AFL are a joke. The only consistency that they have is their ability to kick our club in the balls but apply a different standard to everyone else

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IMO, I think the club did the right thing by Elijah at the end of last year by giving him every opportunity. They supported him and gave him something to strive towards.
By all accounts the kid did everything that was required and via his family and club support was doing well. Unfortunately, human nature sometimes dictates our emotions and can cause us to be derailed in many ways. We can't blame anyone, especially the club for such an event.

If as reported and suggested, the club was aware there was an issue and didn't act appropriately then the club failed him on the night. However, the AFL have once again proven how unprofessional they are by fining the club with no real concrete evidence presented. They have highlighted visual cues and performance data, but that is not justifiable to a fine or fine of that magnitude. If you punish someone for breaking governance or the law, you need to prove and show how and why. The AFL has not.

Let's face it, they've fined us because they have to be seen to be doing something, after the media shitstorm. Predictable. Although I was expecting 50k.

Interestingly I'm pretty sure Port got fined 50k for sending a concussed player back on the field a few years ago.

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Its one thing to fine a club, but We want a full report. What are the reasons? who is at fault? what actually happened?

Who was found negligent? They won't tell you. This is what the AFL has said:

" The AFL confirmed that the findings were made against the Carlton Football Club collectively, rather than against any individuals at the Blues, with the $75,000 sanction to be donated to mental health charity headspace ".

In Other Words, its no one's fault boys, but we just need some BS to sell around mental health. We don't want to look bad.

Yes. The AFL want it covered up and Carlton want to move on. I can understand Carlton's position. We have enough problems without that. I can't see how Elijah can play for Carlton again.

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He shanked a kick at goal in the warmup. It's unequivocal

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The draftees are 19 years old. Wait till they are 22.
Our only hope is to completely gut the place and start again. To a degree we have already
done that in the last two drafts. No half measures, go all in and support Jagga, Harry, HOF etc
and get more top line talent through the door. We absolutely must get pick one.
That as I see it is our number one priority. Not changing the coach inorder to get
a dead cat bounce for a few games.
The AFL have created the rules. We need to use them to our advantage and load up
so the flowers need to change the rules again.

Why weren't Melbourne fined for sending Petracca back out???

I did laugh at people using that and "his teammates ignored him when he was in a good position" nah that's just how we play normally.

And further to this, we need the Eddie Maguire playbook of 2005 here.
Somehow after playing in two grand finals a few years earlier he managed to use the AFL rules
to secure a priority pick in 2005. They draft Daisy and Pendlebury.
2006 shoot up the ladder again.
No point moaning about the rules changing as that won't get us out of the poo. Gobuse them to
our advantage.

My guess is the they wanted to point the finger at our club doctors and health professionals, but realised that they had no leg to stand on if our doctor or health professional sued them (or maybe our doctor used the Bruce Reid playbook and did threaten to sue), so they just blamed "the club".

I think it's a $75K whack for highlighting the deficiencies within the AFL system.

Hey Carlton, thanks for making it obvious to the world that our soft cap has had an impact on club's ability to and/or prioritise providing adequate mental health support. You've embarrassed us, and we'll make you pay accordingly.

Oh, and by the way, all AFL and AFLW clubs can you please now change your structures around mental health so that you don't embarrass us like Carlton did.

Let's face it, we will never know the ins and outs of Elijah's health status, nor should we. But the media shitstorm is the thing that blew this up. Most commentators and people thought they knew best.

You have Maynard saying he was shocked to be sitting here, while Pendlebury said, yeah, nah, I didn't notice anything.

In all of that criticism very few, if any, comments came with a caveat that said, you know what, I don't know the first thing about the details of Carlton's management of Elijah Hollands, but @#$%&! that, I'm gonna knife the pricks anyway because some media knob wanting some attention said so!

I don't know if Carlton mishandled Elijah on that night, they very well may have. It's also possible that they took the course of action that had been agreed between the player, doctors and coaches. Maybe the outcome was worse than expected, maybe it wasn't. We have a lot to be critical about with the club right now, but on this one I think they deserve the benefit of any doubt.

The Hollands family hasn't been critical of the club as far as I am aware. That should be our reference point.

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Yep. We know shit. The verdict gives you a clue about what went down between the AFL and Carlton, but little more than that.

AFL: this was uncomfortable viewing, and we're under a pretty intense media spotlight here. Got any scapegoats we can use?
Carlton: no, and our doctors will sue the @#$%&! out of you if you besmirch their professional reputation. Got any evidence of malpractice or neglect.?
AFL: uh... optics... these supercoach stats aren't too flash...
Carlton: look, we have to take care of a very sick young man, how about we make a charitable donation so he can be left to recover in privacy? 50k enough?
AFL: maybe a hundred?
Carlton: let's make it 75. I pay cash.
AFL: what is it with w...

... lost my train of thought

Sadly , health professionals are gonna think twice about aligning themselves with an AFL Club . More trouble than its worth .

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Where's ours gone? Stress leave?

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He was . I believe he is back .

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Its unfortunate that the term "mental health crisis" was used as this has colored the conversations that have followed in a simple 'black and white' manner.

It may well have been a 'crisis' of sorts but this did not make it an 'acute crisis'. The crowd saw what it saw (the shanked kick, running around seemingly unaware) and can be forgiven for their concern and wanting answers. The media pile on (looking for fault and someone to hang) however has been unforgivable in my eyes - and this forced the AFL to act given the optics of what unfolded and for having their own lack of expertise around such matters exposed.

We have no idea what support plan CFC staff were working to in collaboration with Elijah and his family and other health professionals involved. We know that this was not the first time he has struggled in-game. The plan may well have been to allow him to persist through his struggle even if this menant that we would effectively be a man down. This is consistent with the MH Act and practise which is to intervene in the least restirctive manner unless there is consensus around imminent acute risk ( which is where duty of care overides all else). This is a 'strengths'based approach that priortizes everyones right to self-determination and participation - anything less potentially becomes discriminatory.

The plan was potentially aimed with a long term outcome in mind that Elijah could work through his struggle rather than simply being pulled from the ground ( which would severely erode his self-belief). That it didnt quite work is sad and upsetting. This happens in the MH field all the time however. We intervene too quickly and harshly because we are either 'risk averse' or too little and too late with sometimes more tragic outcomes.

No matter, how many full-time professionals the AFL looks to employ in the future, these same delicate clinical and ethical dilemmas will have to be considered and worked through.

My own fear is that what happened is far more prevalent in elite sport than we think, we just dont obviously see or come to know about it. It is inextircably intertwined with elite settings and performance.

Until we know all the facts, and we never will, I will support the CFC and its staff on this matter.

Like many of you I am far more heartbroken by our broader and current predicament, which has been of our own making.

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