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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 9:25 am 
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Not sure TDK would have even been worth holding at 1m given his performances at the Saints, he's been outshone by Marshall as far as I can tell. As for Curnow, pfft, don't miss him. Silvagni has been very good but we're not looking too bad down back.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 10:11 am 
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london blue wrote:
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when I think about how much fun it is watching our list play at the moment, other than a couple of obvious holes, i can't find a reason to cry over spilt milk.

Haynes, lord, O'Farrell, smith, Byrne, dean, ison, moir, wilson over the last 3 years are players I am backing.....other than Moir (who is a question) that bunch will all be 100 game players

Could've still had all those players except smith if we got Houston.
And if Houston was able to keep us competitive and in the top 4 we would've also kept a key ruck and a key forward (now players we have to find) as well as attracting potential out of contract UFA players like the ones that walk to clubs like Geelong, Hawks and Lions keeping them relevant year in year out.

Then there is also the reputation of a club that walks away from a deal when a player has chosen them, not a good look.

Hopefully with CD and GW in charge we don't do that again and seize the moment.
Although the Buku deal was a bit off, but maybe we told him we will get him this year.

Give me smith any day over the ‘saviour’ Houston. And the argument that we would still have a key forward and ruck in Curnow and TDK…..I’m not convinced at all. We are way better off list wise and culturally post the curnow deal. As for TDK? How could anyone justify holding him at those $….????

We are making the right moves.

With respect to reputation….well, thats complete speculation


Agreed. Getting Houston and (maybe?) keeping Curnow (TDK was taking the money either way) might have given us half a sniff, but then we risked falling off a cliff like Collingwood.

Getting Jagger was the right move long term, you can't afford to go too long between bringing in quality young players. As great as the skipper still is, he isn't getting any younger, and Walsh can't do it all by himself.

I think consistently bringing in youth, rather than getting to the point where a full blown rebuild is required, is more likely to lead to success. The more frequently you make finals, the more chances you give yourself of winning a flag. You can't win if you spend half a decade, or more, rebuilding in the bottom four.

Once you've won a flag (or three, like the tigers), then you can consider running it back, or topping up. But we haven't earnt that right.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 10:59 am 
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Also some seem to have forgotten that when we drafted Smith we didn't know we'd lose him for the entirety of his first season, imagine if he'd played this way last year, won the rising star, and was playing even better as a second year now?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 3:43 pm 
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Not sure TDK would have even been worth holding at 1m given his performances at the Saints, he's been outshone by Marshall as far as I can tell. As for Curnow, pfft, don't miss him. Silvagni has been very good but we're not looking too bad down back.


$1.1M was our starting point for TDK. Doubt we went any more than that. Dodged a bullet. only Gawn Jackson and maybe Grundy are worth that sort of money.

Charlie isnt looking like a Million dollar player. I'm expecting an injury any minute

SOS we offered matched Pies $650 offer. No way his injury prone body is worth the $800 or more spruiked around the place.

We have saved ourselves a warchest. Lets prove it when we next play the Aints. We owe them BIG time.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2026 7:33 pm 
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yep @#$%&! no to Housetan

still not sure about all the shit we will give up for Cody

I think its all about our depth and with the picks and warchest (if we have such means we could really build depth through the entire list both through kids and
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2026 1:12 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
yep @#$%&! no to Housetan

still not sure about all the shit we will give up for Cody

I think its all about our depth and with the picks and warchest (if we have such means we could really build depth through the entire list both through kids and
recruits


Our warchest can get us a bonafide star plus a Hayward Ainsworth and a Florent. Just gotta find them, ditto draft picks.

True re cost of Walker, but I have faith in the many options we have to get him.

Regardless, we have to pick the right players with any picks we have. Assume we end up 10th. We have pick 10, 24, Norths 2nd and GCS 2nd, nezt year's first in a compromised draft Tassie get 1, 3, 5, 7......picks makes our first in the 20's.

Just like Smith and Dean are worth 2 firsts, so is Walker. Or you don't think so. 3 picks will give us a 2nd rounder as change.

Also, if good enough with our eyes and ears in the talent scout space we should be able to find a Dominator from the VFL SAFL WAFL. We should be able to find 3 good 2nd rounders.

Remember SOS got 8 first round picks wrong. Got nearly all his 2nd and 3rd round picks wrong. Only successful rookies he got was Cincotta Cottrell and Boyd.

Walker is a bona fide star in the making. Just have to see what he's doing as an 18-19yo against men....and get use to it, we are taking Walker.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2026 3:45 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
yep @#$%&! no to Housetan

still not sure about all the shit we will give up for Cody

I think its all about our depth and with the picks and warchest (if we have such means we could really build depth through the entire list both through kids and
recruits


Our warchest can get us a bonafide star plus a Hayward Ainsworth and a Florent. Just gotta find them, ditto draft picks.

True re cost of Walker, but I have faith in the many options we have to get him.

Regardless, we have to pick the right players with any picks we have. Assume we end up 10th. We have pick 10, 24, Norths 2nd and GCS 2nd, nezt year's first in a compromised draft Tassie get 1, 3, 5, 7......picks makes our first in the 20's.

Just like Smith and Dean are worth 2 firsts, so is Walker. Or you don't think so. 3 picks will give us a 2nd rounder as change.

Also, if good enough with our eyes and ears in the talent scout space we should be able to find a Dominator from the VFL SAFL WAFL. We should be able to find 3 good 2nd rounders.

Remember SOS got 8 first round picks wrong. Got nearly all his 2nd and 3rd round picks wrong. Only successful rookies he got was Cincotta Cottrell and Boyd.

Walker is a bona fide star in the making. Just have to see what he's doing as an 18-19yo against men....and get use to it, we are taking Walker.

Cincotta & Boyd were both Austin.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2026 5:06 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
yep @#$%&! no to Housetan

still not sure about all the shit we will give up for Cody

I think its all about our depth and with the picks and warchest (if we have such means we could really build depth through the entire list both through kids and
recruits


Our warchest can get us a bonafide star plus a Hayward Ainsworth and a Florent. Just gotta find them, ditto draft picks.

True re cost of Walker, but I have faith in the many options we have to get him.

Regardless, we have to pick the right players with any picks we have. Assume we end up 10th. We have pick 10, 24, Norths 2nd and GCS 2nd, nezt year's first in a compromised draft Tassie get 1, 3, 5, 7......picks makes our first in the 20's.

Just like Smith and Dean are worth 2 firsts, so is Walker. Or you don't think so. 3 picks will give us a 2nd rounder as change.

Also, if good enough with our eyes and ears in the talent scout space we should be able to find a Dominator from the VFL SAFL WAFL. We should be able to find 3 good 2nd rounders.

Remember SOS got 8 first round picks wrong. Got nearly all his 2nd and 3rd round picks wrong. Only successful rookies he got was Cincotta Cottrell and Boyd.

Walker is a bona fide star in the making. Just have to see what he's doing as an 18-19yo against men....and get use to it, we are taking Walker.

Cincotta & Boyd were both Austin.


Double checked. You're correct.
Geez, lets blame it all on Austin then.

I come to the conclusion Sydney Blue heaping all the selection blame end of 2023 on one individual, Austin, is a deflection from an individual he may worship, SOS. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2026 5:17 pm 
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I've continue to do my own numbers on war chests and the 95% Minimum requirement on Salary cap. Its all guess work but a guestimate gives me a picture to consider.

I'll share my numbers at a later time, likely at the end of the year during Trade time, but we must take note from the Ralph Smith Austin interview the salary space created from the departure of TDK, Curnow, SOS and Docherty was over $3M.

Obviously in 2026, having lost all those players (including Durdin, Fantasia....) we can continue to front end Weitering, Walsh, McKay and Cripps' salaries and / or bank the 5% over and above the 95% minimum requirement.

The part we use for the abovementioned purpose is the balance left from payments allocated for Hayward, Ainsworth, Florent and Reidy 2026 salaries....which is nowhere near $3M.

By front ending and banking the 5%, we are building a huge war chest for 2027, 2028 and 2029, during the compromised Draft year.

Smart Savings plan.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2026 5:26 pm 
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Also Salary Cap increases by $700,000 in 2027.

Gotta spend 95% of that. Wont be on star draftees Dean Smith and Walker at this early stage.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2026 11:21 pm 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
london blue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
london blue wrote:
when I think about how much fun it is watching our list play at the moment, other than a couple of obvious holes, i can't find a reason to cry over spilt milk.

Haynes, lord, O'Farrell, smith, Byrne, dean, ison, moir, wilson over the last 3 years are players I am backing.....other than Moir (who is a question) that bunch will all be 100 game players

Could've still had all those players except smith if we got Houston.
And if Houston was able to keep us competitive and in the top 4 we would've also kept a key ruck and a key forward (now players we have to find) as well as attracting potential out of contract UFA players like the ones that walk to clubs like Geelong, Hawks and Lions keeping them relevant year in year out.

Then there is also the reputation of a club that walks away from a deal when a player has chosen them, not a good look.

Hopefully with CD and GW in charge we don't do that again and seize the moment.
Although the Buku deal was a bit off, but maybe we told him we will get him this year.

Give me smith any day over the ‘saviour’ Houston. And the argument that we would still have a key forward and ruck in Curnow and TDK…..I’m not convinced at all. We are way better off list wise and culturally post the curnow deal. As for TDK? How could anyone justify holding him at those $….????

We are making the right moves.

With respect to reputation….well, thats complete speculation


Agreed. Getting Houston and (maybe?) keeping Curnow (TDK was taking the money either way) might have given us half a sniff, but then we risked falling off a cliff like Collingwood. Seems to be working well for Geelong though.

Getting Jagger was the right move long term, you can't afford to go too long between bringing in quality young players. As great as the skipper still is, he isn't getting any younger, and Walsh can't do it all by himself.

I think consistently bringing in youth, rather than getting to the point where a full blown rebuild is required, is more likely to lead to success. The more frequently you make finals, the more chances you give yourself of winning a flag. You can't win if you spend half a decade, or more, rebuilding in the bottom four.
Which team is consistently bringing in youth and is successful?

Once you've won a flag (or three, like the tigers), then you can consider running it back, or topping up. But we haven't earnt that right.
I agree, but we bent at the first chance we had so we will never know.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2026 11:39 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
london blue wrote:
when I think about how much fun it is watching our list play at the moment, other than a couple of obvious holes, i can't find a reason to cry over spilt milk.

Haynes, lord, O'Farrell, smith, Byrne, dean, ison, moir, wilson over the last 3 years are players I am backing.....other than Moir (who is a question) that bunch will all be 100 game players

Could've still had all those players except smith if we got Houston.
And if Houston was able to keep us competitive and in the top 4 we would've also kept a key ruck and a key forward (now players we have to find) as well as attracting potential out of contract UFA players like the ones that walk to clubs like Geelong, Hawks and Lions keeping them relevant year in year out.

Then there is also the reputation of a club that walks away from a deal when a player has chosen them, not a good look.

Hopefully with CD and GW in charge we don't do that again and seize the moment.
Although the Buku deal was a bit off, but maybe we told him we will get him this year.

Give me smith any day over the ‘saviour’ Houston. And the argument that we would still have a key forward and ruck in Curnow and TDK…..I’m not convinced at all. We are way better off list wise and culturally post the curnow deal. As for TDK? How could anyone justify holding him at those $….????

We are making the right moves.

With respect to reputation….well, thats complete speculation

Houston wasn't a saviour, he was a missing piece in the puzzle.
And when we lost Newman at the start of 2025 he would've been the perfect fit for our backline to keep competing, especially when transition was an issue.
As most on here have stated, winning football is good football.
And winning teams attract free agents and keep players for less than market value.

As for Curnow, as much as I hate to say it, he's going alright, second in Coleman race by 1 goal ATM.

And as much as I like Jagga, he's still a bit slow at times, like tonight.
I still think even that year we should've used 2 picks in that draft.
Or as Sydney said, we could've got Houston and Murphy Reid.
Jagga is a good footballer, no doubt and I am glad he is playing for us.
But as we have seen so far this year, Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent are doing a lot more good things for the team and without the price tag.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2026 11:44 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
london blue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
london blue wrote:
Which team is consistently bringing in youth and is successful?


Freo have kept unearthing young (or H. Young!) talent especially midfielders despite loosing a few like Lochie Neale, Cerra and there's one more i can't recall maybe. Jackson has come out of nowhere as a top 5 AFL talent since moving to Freo. I think their list management is second to only Brisbanes over the last decade plus.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2026 8:36 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
london blue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
london blue wrote:
when I think about how much fun it is watching our list play at the moment, other than a couple of obvious holes, i can't find a reason to cry over spilt milk.

Haynes, lord, O'Farrell, smith, Byrne, dean, ison, moir, wilson over the last 3 years are players I am backing.....other than Moir (who is a question) that bunch will all be 100 game players

Could've still had all those players except smith if we got Houston.
And if Houston was able to keep us competitive and in the top 4 we would've also kept a key ruck and a key forward (now players we have to find) as well as attracting potential out of contract UFA players like the ones that walk to clubs like Geelong, Hawks and Lions keeping them relevant year in year out.

Then there is also the reputation of a club that walks away from a deal when a player has chosen them, not a good look.

Hopefully with CD and GW in charge we don't do that again and seize the moment.
Although the Buku deal was a bit off, but maybe we told him we will get him this year.

Give me smith any day over the ‘saviour’ Houston. And the argument that we would still have a key forward and ruck in Curnow and TDK…..I’m not convinced at all. We are way better off list wise and culturally post the curnow deal. As for TDK? How could anyone justify holding him at those $….????

We are making the right moves.

With respect to reputation….well, thats complete speculation

Houston wasn't a saviour, he was a missing piece in the puzzle.
And when we lost Newman at the start of 2025 he would've been the perfect fit for our backline to keep competing, especially when transition was an issue.
As most on here have stated, winning football is good football.
And winning teams attract free agents and keep players for less than market value.

As for Curnow, as much as I hate to say it, he's going alright, second in Coleman race by 1 goal ATM.

And as much as I like Jagga, he's still a bit slow at times, like tonight.
I still think even that year we should've used 2 picks in that draft.
Or as Sydney said, we could've got Houston and Murphy Reid.
Jagga is a good footballer, no doubt and I am glad he is playing for us.
But as we have seen so far this year, Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent are doing a lot more good things for the team and without the price tag.


Hindsight is 20:20. Lots of teams passed on Reid, there's no guarantee we would have grabbed him. We could have easily ended up with players far less talented than Jagga or Reid.

Those other three blokes you mentioned also have 10 times more AFL experience than Jagga. Jagga's still a teenager.

It's way too early to be drawing conclusions about whether picking him was the right call.

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As for Curnow, as much as I hate to say it, he's going alright, second in Coleman race by 1 goal ATM.


He's been better the past 2-3 games but otherwise the story of his season is a familiar one: loads up in easy wind against weak opposition (Richmond + 2 x Bulldogs without any KPDa), invisible against strong opposition, applying zero defensive pressure, looking for cheap goals out the back. The Coleman is not a great measure of a forward in the modern game.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2026 11:01 am 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
london blue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
london blue wrote:
when I think about how much fun it is watching our list play at the moment, other than a couple of obvious holes, i can't find a reason to cry over spilt milk.

Haynes, lord, O'Farrell, smith, Byrne, dean, ison, moir, wilson over the last 3 years are players I am backing.....other than Moir (who is a question) that bunch will all be 100 game players

Could've still had all those players except smith if we got Houston.
And if Houston was able to keep us competitive and in the top 4 we would've also kept a key ruck and a key forward (now players we have to find) as well as attracting potential out of contract UFA players like the ones that walk to clubs like Geelong, Hawks and Lions keeping them relevant year in year out.

Then there is also the reputation of a club that walks away from a deal when a player has chosen them, not a good look.

Hopefully with CD and GW in charge we don't do that again and seize the moment.
Although the Buku deal was a bit off, but maybe we told him we will get him this year.

Give me smith any day over the ‘saviour’ Houston. And the argument that we would still have a key forward and ruck in Curnow and TDK…..I’m not convinced at all. We are way better off list wise and culturally post the curnow deal. As for TDK? How could anyone justify holding him at those $….????

We are making the right moves.

With respect to reputation….well, thats complete speculation

Houston wasn't a saviour, he was a missing piece in the puzzle.
And when we lost Newman at the start of 2025 he would've been the perfect fit for our backline to keep competing, especially when transition was an issue.
As most on here have stated, winning football is good football.
And winning teams attract free agents and keep players for less than market value.

As for Curnow, as much as I hate to say it, he's going alright, second in Coleman race by 1 goal ATM.

And as much as I like Jagga, he's still a bit slow at times, like tonight.
I still think even that year we should've used 2 picks in that draft.
Or as Sydney said, we could've got Houston and Murphy Reid.
Jagga is a good footballer, no doubt and I am glad he is playing for us.
But as we have seen so far this year, Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent are doing a lot more good things for the team and without the price tag.


Hindsight is 20:20. Lots of teams passed on Reid, there's no guarantee we would have grabbed him. We could have easily ended up with players far less talented than Jagga or Reid.

Those other three blokes you mentioned also have 10 times more AFL experience than Jagga. Jagga's still a teenager.

It's way too early to be drawing conclusions about whether picking him was the right call.
David Walls didn't
He could have been there instead of Austin

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