Exactly its a practice match take nothing from it just likelast years wizard cup win false hopes.

thats right!!!.. its not like this club hasnt lost by 100 points a dozen times in the last 3 years....

You should be on the board and the MC... steady as she goes approach.

Look.. Carlton was never this rabble.. it made changes!!!.. it swung the axe and it was never afraid to get proactive because it thought about premierships and nothing else.

Right now were not just thinking about premierships only.. were just worried about day to day self preservation.. the board.. the MC and the coach as well as some players.

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Don't worry all, Dennis says it wont happen again, and besides it will all be better because Sporn and Wiggins will be playing.

Shit, I was there yesterday in the sun all day, and had to watch that crap. But I will still continue to support with all my heart.

All you fair weather supporters, especially the idiot who called 3AW and hung up after saying he wanted a refund on his membership get over it and support the club. Yes it is very hard even for me, and I am as passionate as they come, but Carlton has given us a lot of good times. What good times have St Kilda, or the Bulldogs given their supporters.

I have to say though, Dennis has a lot to answer form. He needs to get over his stupid antique game plan and go back to basic football. Man on Man until the guys can hit targets. No more of this stupid play on at every occassion.

And also " PLAY PAUL BOWER", he has balls that guy and a lot of confidence.

Since we agree that it is not acceptable, hopefully you will try to change.

You obviously didn't see Port win every clearance.

Excuse my ignorance but isn't it the coaches job to get the players mind's back on the job ?? Isn't the coach supposed to get them focussed on the job at hand ??

This is a bloody woeful cop-out from Pagan, if he cannot get the players to play the game the way he wants or at least get them to rise up against adversity, then clearly he shouldn't be in the job.



Again, as senior coach it is HIS job to instill faith in the young players and give them a clear direction of how to retrieve the situation. Surely the 1/4 time & half-time breaks are where it all should have happened. By 3/4 time, it was just way too late to get anywhere in the game, it was well lost by then.



You can plead all you like Denis, we have been supporting you & your methods for some years now with hardly any derision or scorn. However, you can't stand up now four years in and 'plead' with the supporters for another chance, you've been given plenty thus far.

It's time to put up or shutup, we are looking for improvement and there is little/none coming. Yes, we have had to rebuild the playing list and yes, we have introduced a lot of young talented players but surely the days of 100 point thumpings should have ended ??



Why is this happening ?? We have supposedly a formidable attack with players capable of kicking bags or 2-3 so where is it falling down ??

Here's a clue, let's have a look at the game-plan first, surely there is something not right there ???



Overall, I understand & agree with the sentiment that it was only a practice match but it's the impression that we portray that is of most concern to me. Why are players looking disinterested & not working cohesively ?? If we start the season with an 'easybeat' mentality, then it will transfer across to the regular season and we will be looked upon as the basket-case of the league.

All I want is for our players to try their best at all times, be fierce in competition and never give the opposition an easy kick or goal. If we tried this and still got beaten then I'd wear it even though it would hurt.

But bugger me, there is no way known that I'll cop a smashing from a group of players who couldn't give a toss.

Denis Pagan, I have supported you through thick and thin and have always maintained that you are the right person for the job. However, time is now running out and you have now been placed on the Sheik's "Endangered Species" list. A failure to deliver a vast improvement in team morale & a complete elimination of 10 goal drubbings in 2006 will see me calling for your head come season's end !!!!!!!!

Time to deliver buddy !!! $800K per annum means that we want results, not calls for support once again when it has been clearly virtually undying in the past.

Get on with it, the meter is running .................

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gee denis must be quivering now

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

As long as some people keep wearing their 'navy-coloured glasses', he's as safe as houses. However, there are others who want to question his methods & results.

I am one of the latter !!

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gee what a bloke, brave, honest, clear sighted. My heart sells with envy. Now take your hand off it and go water the garden.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I remember scouting the Swan's message board after Carlton thumped them by about 100 points in 2004 and it was exactly the same as this is.

Carazeee world we live in.

Enjoy it people, you are all going to DIE!!!

Eventually.

You obviously didn't watch.

Agree that the kids were the best, easily. Walker, Russell, Simpson, Murphy all looked to do positive things with the ball.

Disagree about your 30 second line. I thought the opening 15-20 minutes were even but we were shonky in front of goal, yet again, but it took a while for Port's centre to 50 game plan to take hold. There were some pretty rough efforts down back that let Port get a couple.

My question though relates to this 'Pagan coaching for his job' caper. What does that mean? He picks a very young team, at the expense of the list dwellars (you know the guys who fill a list), gives them a fair few opportunities, yet he is coaching for his job!?! Can someone explain what this means?

It means people are just talking trash and not even thinking their comments through.

Fair enough I suppose, we're not newspaper journalists, we're not going to get sued for having an opinion

Still idiotic though.

"Denise"

Agree that after every large loss (say 10goal+) there are going to be calls for blood on the forums of any club. The difference is though, that the swans 100 point drubbing in 2004 was a clear aberration - for us, 10goal+ losses in the 'pagan years' have become common place. Never in the history of the club have we had an extended run of such poor performances - you can blame the playing list but i think it is clear that the list is not as bad as many of the performances seem to indicate.

How many years did it take the Aints to turn it around after they started getting top draft picks? They've managed to perform (mostly) even with Cornflakes as a coach!

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Pagan has ditched his philsophy on how football should be played and reverted our team to a poor mans Hawthorn game plan. That is what i mean by coaching for his job.

Chip and run and limit the damage on the score board instead of having faith in the kids to play there natural games and enjoy themselves.

Let the boys run free and we probably still would of lost, but at least the game would of been exciting as a Carlton Supporter.

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Today!!!!!... at training!!!!.. they were allowed to chip it everywhere!!!!..
We went wide.. short up and down...,side to side.. and it was encouraged....

So was he wrong the last 3 years????
Was it a waste of time??????

What happens when they make mistakes using this style... do we then go back to what is comfortable???
Have we been recruiting this style of footballer???


Stay tuned......

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Anyone tell me why Pagan is making these comments and not Kouta? If the players are to blame also then the least the Captain can do is make a statement?

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I was there too, the only time I saw anything remotely resembling a chip kick was when the receiving player was absolutely rolling around in space to run and carry the ball.

Having said that, come match day the boys need to have a bit of wherewithal when it comes to when to play the short pass, chips that aren't going forward are only handy if they open up a passage of play, not because you have no idea where to go.

Two things you need in AFL football (from observation) would be poise with the ball (the ability to slow down the mad rush of instructions your brain is spitting at you in terms of where to send the ball) and knowing when to time your runs to receive.

Too often you see inexperienced or stupid players running a lead before the player is even looking upfield, cruel waste.

Anyway, back on topic, again I don't know what you're talking about mate.