Thats ok verbs..

were all entitled to our very own opinions.. thanks for yours.... good to see you contributing again...

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Your welcome. Good to see a mature response.

ahhh but go back sailorman, I said I have no problem with agendas, and, no I do not think they are somehow selfish, just that they are that, agendas and if someone is going to go beating the drum and rallying the troops then that person should state if they have an agenda. If you don't, you don't, but if you do - like you want a particular person on the board and if that is achieved then you'll become their spokesperson on this site, then yeah, I think that should be mentioned while rallying said troops.

But I do enjoy your reaction to the word agenda.

Information is fine

but intention is also critical.


Oh and besides if you're going to stand up as King of the Castle then its only fair someone test the waters.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Out come the parenting skills!

*Cheers on Mrs Caz*

Great stuff (seriously)

*sigh* If only it had some effect jimmae...the youth of today

Youre right danny, my intention is for the club to be what it once was...

Purely for non selfish reasons.. i swear!!!

But i cannot stand by and watch whats happening.

i have attended 70% of training sessions.
I know people around the club.. many of who are pissed off with me.
I go to a shitload of games...

I cant stand whats happening to my club.. and i am a very strong believer that if you dont change something thats broke you just have something broke.

Todays media release should have been a real eye opener to anyone that thinks we can just float around in the sea of nothingness.

I gave this oard 3 years.. and same with Denis.

Just the same amount of time a govt gets before elections.

Were in intensive care and you have blokes like verbs saying "its fun!"

jimmae is in la la land...

people just dont get how easy it is to slip into oblivion if you allow it.

Richmond.. powerhouse club till 1980.. never the same.
Melb up to 1965.
Fitzroy.. gone


Its so easy to go down the toilet.

Im not that daft to believe that just cos i post my frustrations i will change the world.

But i feel i should open peoples minds to stuff.

I might be wrong.,

Campo might not have been a bludger.,
Kouta might be a great captain.
Lance a Jon Brown type .
Denis the messiah...

and this board just abit misunderstood...

But there is a reason why the club is on its knees...and sinking

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hey..wasn't there a thread about that somewhere

I'm a bloke?

I can see how Synbad has no fun. Poor thing.

dont worry about me having fun verbs.. you should come up for some air sometime...

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What do you mean? I went swimming about three weeks ago. That was fun.

<--- I'm actually 21

LUCABLU, the words I used when describing who should be drafted with early picks were ''key position players and FRONTLINE midfielders''. Craig Bradley was a frontline midfielder. Jason Akermanis is a frontline midfielder. James Hird is a gun key position player, a frontline midfielder and a damn good stoppage ruckman to boot. When can an outside player who can't play key position and who can't play in the midfield ever be ''the best player'' ? It is of course laughable to suggest such a thing. You show me such a player and I bet I can find someone better !
CONUNDRUM, Ratten's first senior game for Carlton was in the midfield and he picked up 20 possessions in half a game of footy. Ratten was a very good player as a kid in the reserves flag of 1990. For a kid, he was a very good player in the back pocket in the early 90s in the seniors. To compare him to someone who struggled to get a kick in the VFL last year is ludicrous. As I mentioned in an earlier post, Livo, Sporn and Wiggins were all much better players than Russell in their first year in the VFL.
CAZZESMAN. Come on Cazzesman, you and I both know that an undersized marking forward pocket player (was Luke Herring(ton) ? the name of the dreadlocked kid ?) is not part of Hackenschmidt's master plan for building a team (not with an early pick anyway).
I'd like to think that our recruiting team at least gave some consideration to a player like Jarred Moore. I'd also love to hear why we didn't draft any of the many promising ruckmen in the 2004 draft. Once again, I hope we at least gave this some consideration.
Cazzesman, please don't take this the wrong way, but does your role at the club mean you are possibly a little ''too close'' to make a fully objective, unemotional assessment of a player like Jordan Russell ? Feel free to tell me to get [REDACTED] but the tone of your earlier posts was that of a loyal friend or parent. My assessment of Jordan's progress was pretty harsh, but it was certainly a detached, honest assessment. I assess Carlton players with the same brutal honesty that I assess opposition players(see reference to Chris Egan further down this post). I actually really like Jordan and, like you, have been impressed by his positive attitude and team spirit. I was happy to see him improve last year and into the start of this season and I hope I am proved horribly wrong. But to a detached ''outsider'', surely it is reasonable, and not a cheap shot, to be concerned about his form in the VFL last year, especially when you compare him with Kade Simpson, another ''skinny kid'' who was a very good VFL player from day one. Yes, I know Simmo literally couldn't get a kick in the seniors for a few games but doesn't that just underline my point about the gap in standard between AFL and VFL.
ADP, Chris Egan is seriously frightened. Only thr person who does his laundry knows how frightened he really is.
JUZZCARLTON, were you really watching the game where Josh Vansittart was moved onto Leon Davis and did much better than Jordan Russell ?
So you agree with me that Jordan isn't a very good mark ?
As mentioned earlier in this post, anyone who has watched the Bullants in recent years will tell you that Simmo was a very good player from day one in the VFL. He just happens to be a much better footballer than Jordan.
MRS CAZ, believe it or not but I really like Jordan Russell as well. I admired his honesty when he was interviewed at the draft camp and admitted that he wasn't a very courageous player. I only hope that he and I are proved horribly wrong.

but if denis has lost the players and the board inept maybe campo just needed a better coach, maybe he's just a decent sort that needed a bit of leadership.

as for the richmond thing, the worsde thing they did was respond every three years to the masses and sack coaches wilkly nilly. It set them upon the path of round and round and round....


I'm for some changes on the board and for denis to produce some signs things are on the up this year. I am not for another rout.


then another

and another.

and i do not like history beiong rewritten. Judge denis on this year, not this past three years crap. We and I both know the club was hamstrung, now you may not have liked how he has gone about it (ie he kept lance and Kouta is still captain) but to demand change now - before a ball this year has been bounced is crap - but then I think you know that, i think you have John the baptistitis - who are you preparing the ground for?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Like it or hate it, one big positive we currently have is long-term tenure from a name Coach. Realistically CLub's in our position could have been expected to go through a few coaches. Some of you may want that. I do not. This stability is worth something to a club in our position. Hard to quantify though.

Having a big mae coach on alot opf money actually is a hinderence.. because it can become a question of what do we do???

There is no pressure on Hawthorn .. their supporters understand.. they have been sold a message.. the same one as we should have had sold.

Kids= time.

But we tried having a bet each way....




ill shall go on record here and say i doubt Denis will be coaching us next year.

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Flipside to every argument I know but the money still is on Clarkson to get the boot. The big difference is that they dont have a huge debt and all the political impliciations we have.

All I'm saying is that we have some elements of stability which is a positive. We are a club with few positives, namely the young players coming through, but stability is another. I think the Board Elections have come at a good time and can get some refreshing going on - just hope they don't turn nasty and personal. The Club deserves better than that.

Fans like success and Hawks numbers are still down, aren't they? Hawk friends of mine aren't signing up this year.

ps my new alterago will be the Multiple Emoticon...

I did have you in mind when I wrote that...

That makes it worse, punk!

Seriously, I'd like to apologise on behalf of all posters for ruining a perfectly good Jordan Russell thread with all these slanging / club / finances / COllins posts. Russell tried very hard and made a small but discernible difference on the weekend, I was most impressed.

For those questioning draft selections there can be nothing more futile than such an exercise. What has happened has happened and nothing you can do will change it. History is littered with good trades, good picks, better later picks and worse earlier picks. It must do your nut in thinking about ifs and maybes but it's just not worth it. Concentrate on what the players we have need to work on, or what else the Club needs, heck, send an email to Wayne Hughes with your ideas but history can't be changed. There is no point in second quessing draft selections.

What about when it's something you're building?

That's what's happening here. Things are changing all the time, but some things need to stay the same. You're just getting an itchy trigger finger Synners despite how you proclaim about things needing time.