ta da!!!!!!! (now here is an image, me, trenchcoat, opened wide, and nothing else but the old shellanger dangling like a hooked fish )

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Must be good to finally win something, old man. I have a high level of respect for mr.verbs and this has shaken my core inner beliefs no end. Ah well, I'll always have hit counts I suppose...

yep Mills and Boon versus Dovstoyevsky. Count away...

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Stress not...I did say "probably". It's open to interpretation (or bribes...gah, who am I kidding!?)

With 16 teams in the comp, the odds of winning the flag every year are pretty slim. That's the first recipe for unhappiness. How can you have fun in that situation? Like jimmae said, it's all about building. If you expect success right now, all the time, you're never going to be happy. Russell is building his career, which has only just started. Have fun seeing where it ends up!

If you read ehat i say.. im not having a go at Russell . Wiggo or any kid.
My beef is with the devlopment process.

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CAZZESMAN.
I'd like to think that our recruiting team at least gave some consideration to a player like Jarred Moore. I'd also love to hear why we didn't draft any of the many promising ruckmen in the 2004 draft. Once again, I hope we at least gave this some consideration.

I wasn't involved but I would be very surprised if he wasn't in the mix. You forget every team passed him over in the 1st round.

Cazzesman, please don't take this the wrong way, but does your role at the club mean you are possibly a little ''too close'' to make a fully objective, unemotional assessment of a player like Jordan Russell ?

I wasn't involved in selecting JR. I don't think I am 'too close' to make objective comments. I basically have no contact with the players other than to say hello from time to time or have a very brief chat with the odd player. JR wouldn't even know who I am and I can't remember ever talking to him.

What I am able to do is hear how players are travelling on the track and with the coaches, where their head is at, what minor niggles they have, what personal issues they have that might be holding them back etc, etc, etc.

When a player has a bad game or is struggling there is often a valid reason behind it. People who don't know the reasons simply gets the knives out and go hell for leather, calling the player a hack, dud or weak.

If I watch a TAC game and a player I am interested in has a 'so-so' game I make a point of going to ask his coaches if he had any problems that hindered his game i.e illness, school issues, family issues etc etc.

One kid last year I liked had a shocker in one game and I was really disappointed in him. I spoke to his coach and he told me the kid had been water-skiing all week and was absolutely stuffed.

Supporters have such unreasonable expectations of young players. Some players excel but the majority don't for one reason or another. We all want CFC kids to be superstars but the fact is they won't be. Get use to it. One minute the kid is tying his school tie in December and in April he is playing at the 'G' on Anzac day before 90,000. It's one hell of an ask. They go from training 4 hours per week to 5 days a week. The young bodies fail as the season goes on. They burn out.

The fickleness of supporters really grates on me more and more these days. They are simply not prepared to give a kid an minute of time to settle in. Everyone says....Well Judd and Ball can do it why can't Anthony Raso or Adam Hartlett or JR, simply because he went at pick 9.

Brendan Goddard is the Classic example. Every recruiter to a man said Goddard was by far and away THE number 1 pick at the time. The kid has played something like 68 out of a possible 70 (I don't know the exact figures) but the point is he has been rock solid without yet becoming the instant superstar everyone thought he would. So because he isn't an instant superstar supporters from all clubs get the knife out. How pathetic is that. How uninformed. How stupid.

I went and watched Goddard play for Gippsland Power for the first time the year he got drafted. It was basically the final round of the year. He played an average game and looked anything but a No:1 pick. In my naivete I said to a Recruiter......."What's all the fuss about this kid?" The Recruiter looked at me and said. ...."Do you realise this is about his 50th game for the year. The kids buggered!"

I assess Carlton players with the same brutal honesty that I assess opposition players

But are you assessing them with all the facts at your disposal. That is my point each time. Do you know what issues a player has in his life and why he may be playing like he does. If you don't, then your assessment could be tainted. Saying you are BRUTALLY HONEST means Sweat FA without all the facts at hand.

But to a detached ''outsider'', surely it is reasonable, and not a cheap shot, to be concerned about his form in the VFL last year, especially when you compare him with Kade Simpson, another ''skinny kid'' who was a very good VFL player from day one.

Kade did close to nothing in his 1st two years and needed to have several 'Chats' with the coaching staff. JR is now 50 minutes into his 2nd year. You cannot possibly compare the two players at this stage. Simmo got better because he 'put his head down' on the track and did extra. He got game time and was given a chance to show what he can do. After the first 3 games he slowly got some confidence and and away he went. Compare them when JR is starting year 4.

See even now with that comment you have forgotten the difference between the two players and lump them in the same basket. Simmo had the luxury of living at home and having a family support mechanism. Simmo was pick 45 and was basically an afterthought when all the picks were taken from us.

JR came from SA as an 18 year old, leaving his family, his girlfriend and his mates. At the time he was a fairly introverted kid I'm told. He moved in with a much older player and had to get his head around going from boy to man virtually alone.

At 18 could you cook for yourself, organise your finances, see the big picture etc etc etc. It's not easy with all that on your plate, plus being 80kg and having some grown men pounding you into the dirt each week. Plus you have the added pressure in your own mind of being pick 9 in a team that is looking for a superstar to get them back on top. A team that was extremely short on leadership.

Nothing is a s simple as 'He can't take an overhead mark' and I say that because 'I'm brutally honest'.

Hack if you were 'Brutally honest' with yourself I think you would say you have jumped the gun and not given the kid anyware near a fair go.

Regards Cazzesman

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Much appreciated Cazzesman.
Every thing you wrote sounds perfectly reasonable and persuasive. All except one point !
To say that Kade Simpson did nothing in his first two years is a load of bollocks. Maybe he was selected in the firsts before he was ready, but it wasn't just a ''play the kids '' selection in the middle of 2003. He really earnt his spot by regularly being in the best players every week for the Bullants. Regardless of his attitude, Kade was a very good VFL player from day one. He has always stood out at VFL level with his courage , his ability to win his own footy, his ability to carry the ball and his penetrating kicking. By 2004, Kade was dominating VFL games where he looked a class above most other players. Surely you would agree that Kade is a more natural footballer than Jordan, regardless of their respective attitudes.
I can understand your argument about not comparing players because of personal/external issues but it's ridiculous to suggest that Kade ''did nothing'' in his first 2 years when he played so brilliantly for the Bullants.
Rightly or wrongly, I assess players purely on the way they play football, which means that you and I have a rather different way of looking at players.
Thanks again for your responses.

how do we pay him out? Or should I say, with what?

Well u have to pay him anyway dont u???

you do it in installments.
So u agree to pay him over 5 years not 3.
the balance goes to the new coach.

You just have to get lateral in your thinking...



Its not like youre not going to pay him anyway is it??

You might come to an agreement in a figure and spread it over a period of time,

Terms.

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No Synbad thats not how you do it.

You split the club into 2-3 different entities each employing less than 100 people

You sit back and wait for John Howards IR laws to take full effect

Then you sack the bastard

And let him try sue.


And by the way all these people saying we cant afford to get rid of him . It may be a case if we dont get rid of him we mighten be able to afford to pay him. the first 5 games this year are crucial for the club finances . If we dont put up a good showing come the two blockbuster against Collingwood and Essendon* in round 6 and 7 could draw shit crowds and then we in real shite , If we are competitive and actually win a couple then those two games could turn the clubs finances aound.

So can we afford to get rid of this bloke or not?

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Denis has a contract? I think that is one of the dumbest posts I have read.

Oh woofy everything is so serious around here these days . you cant even have a bit of fun anymore with out people like you taken it out of context.

And just a side note if you are employed by and employer you have entered into a contract with them..Now lighten up woofy and go away and think about it

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Just as a side note you are even dumber for comparing a football coaches contract with a football club and the run of the mill employee/employer contract.

Have a nice day

Depends what the contract terms are, if Pagan has a performance clause etc and certain results aren't reached then a termination could be possible. Without knowing the terms of the contract, one can only speculate.

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Whatever the cpntract is you must be perceived of honouring it or coming to a mutual agreement.
Or youll have everyone staying away because youre deemed to be untrustworthy.
That means sponsors, coaches and any players youre interested in recruiting or re contracting.

Get real you guys....

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He may have no idea how to coach our footy team but he does know how to handle his own contract. No way would he sign a contract with a termination clause. In fact he would have clauses in there saying he has full control of the football department so we can't get rid of his b!tch assistant and bring a new one in. He will be our coach for the next 3 years unless he quits.

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I think Denis will be honourable in his dealings with the club.. you obviously have no clue about what hes like.
Hes probably the only straight shooter there.

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If he was honourable he would have quit after his first year. If he was honourable why did he run to Collo and Sticks and say sign me up now after the Wizz fizz cup?

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

The Game.. its not entirely his fault.. he was pushing shit up hill with what we had at the club when he got here and everyone thats been through it since has been corrupted by a slack attitude towards him and for the club....
The senior players did not make it easy for him....

thats all!!

Now all this petty bullshit by you is really unfair.
Not the right man for this club.. thats all!!!

Doesnt mean he was not a great coach in the past and you can never take it away from him!!!

L:ike i said it will be easier to make a deal with Denis than sayyyyyyyyyy.....???Kouta!!!

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Footy over fantasy...