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:shock: You surprise me Synbad, if you think that what we do on the field doesn't impact on things off the field, well give me some of that stuff that you are smoking as I want to be dellusional too....

I dont think you get me.. and i think youre abit dellusional.. as what we do at board level impacts on what we do on the field and at every aspect of this club....

So were not doing a few things right at board level are we???

You couldnt call this boards performance very 'swiss watch' like can you??
So my thinggy is to change it around abit.. make sure that when candidates that are viable put their hands up they are not discouraged by a backing a board who have been given over three years time and space to make the right decisions.

Discouraging viable options then scares off others for the future.
And we dont want that because our quest if to find the best possible candidates... and that hopefully means theyre not on this board right now.. because anymore of this then GOD HELP ALL OF US!!!

so far i see very little and its very unsatisfactory .!!!

thats why id like to see some fresh ideas italian blue... and there is no way that this board can come up with much fresh stuff now... because why would anyone expect them to do something innovative 3 years on ???

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:) And more dribble from you Synbad, r u sure you support Carlton? Just remember one thing, without this board who by the way were the only ones to put there hand up 3 years ago when the club was F*#@K#*, we would not have had a club.....Yes they could have done better and have made mistakes along the way but would you put your hard earned into a club that has won two wooden spoons in the lat 4 years....I bet you wouldn't and yet you want our 3 richest Australians on this board to put thiers in....Like I said, dribble dribble dribble.....


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without this board who by the way were the only ones to put there hand up 3 years ago when the club was F*#@K#*, we would not have had a club.....


Yes you are right...the choice at the time was more of Elliott or vote in a new board from those who presented themselves...so the members chose.

Now...all those same members are asking is...have this board delivered on their promises? Have they succeeded in getting us out of the shithole we were in? Or have they merely succeeded in prolonging the inevitable for 3 years longer than might otherwise have been the case?

are the results of the boards efforts of the last 3 years enough? Could they have done more? Or have they achieved more than we could have expected?


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Can anyoone with access to the inner sanctums of the club elaborate on the performance at board level from each of the Directors up for reelection. I want to know what they have contributed over the years so that I can make an informed decision on whether to stick with the incumbents or vote for fresh faces. This includes the golden boy Kernahan.

We need Ian Collins heading our negotiations with the AFL over Princes Park given his AFL background and amicable relaionship with Andy D. Once this is finalised I would like to see a new face leading Carlton with a blueprint for the future (5 -10 year plan). Must say both Clarke and Lee sound impressive.

This strategic leaking from Ian Collins to the media to boost our membership sales is really hurting our brand name in the corporate world.

Hopefully we can set up a self funded state of the art facility at Princes Park forming the base for AFL umpires, possibly another club, Melbourne Uni as was originally canvassed and local residents with the Melbourne City Council chipping in.

Whoever articulates the best strategy to pull this off gets my vote.


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:) And more dribble from you Synbad, r u sure you support Carlton? Just remember one thing, without this board who by the way were the only ones to put there hand up 3 years ago when the club was F*#@K#*, we would not have had a club.....Yes they could have done better and have made mistakes along the way but would you put your hard earned into a club that has won two wooden spoons in the lat 4 years....I bet you wouldn't and yet you want our 3 richest Australians on this board to put thiers in....Like I said, dribble dribble dribble.....



Listen mate.. i dont care what happened 3 years ago.. the point why there are elections every year is so the members can make their decision on whether board members and the board have delivered every year.
If JV.(Who you are very defensive about ) stays in.. good luck to him... but in my opinion the members want change!!!.. and no matter who put their hand up three years ago .. they dont wear the invincible cloak forever!!!

PS .. JV wouldnt have even put his hand up if it wernt for Collo 3 years ago.
Theyre all riding on his coat tails.. and you know what???.. theyre not making a difference in improving the club right now from where i sit.

Yes i am a Carlton supporter.. youre not going to tell me that if i dont support Valmorbida i cant be a Carlton supporter are you????

Or are you???

Is that the line that John is using these days???
Vote 1 Valmorbida or you dont barrack for Carlton????

Please let me know what his policies are????

Or is that it????

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I often disagree with Synbad, he can come over as cynical, abrasive and sometimes negative. However, he it's obvious he has the blues best interests at heart and sometimes hard questions need to be asked.

It's irrelevant to consider what this board did 3 years ago, the only thing that matters is what is the best board to move the club forward. I for one hope that changes are made at the AGM to put the whole board on notice.

Speaking of leadership, are there any rumblings about whether Malouf will be reappointed after his contract expires? I don't mean this as a loaded question, just trying to find out what the perception of him is.


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:-D I am sure that we will receive something from MC and JV early next week, all I hope is that the members will read all the material that is sent and then decide on which candidates are best to take Carlton forward. I also agree that we need change but only if the new candidates are better than the current ones. Change for change sake will not fix the problem, we need to ensure that GL, MC and CH are viable alternatives to what we currently have.

GL and MC credentials appear very good and would no doubt contribute greatly to our club.....

As to Synbad, the media are doing a fine job with all the negative stuff they write about us, we don't need you slagging off the club including the players all the time.....


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For what it is worth , i would like to have a say regarding this matter (hopefully i want get shouted down and accused of pushing my own political agenda.)
We seem to be talking as if we want to replace the board in here, as we know that cannot be done. So lets look at what can be done.
We know that this board inheritated a basket case and depending which side of the fence you sit on you can make a case for and against whether they are doing a good job or not.
From what i have heard and read John Valmorbida has contributed to this club and yes i agree with italian blue that he was one of the original ones to put up his hand, but what i want to know what he can contribute for another term and why hasnt he done more. I believe that 3 years is long enough to contrbute as a director if your specialty is marketing, its time for new blod and Greg Lee's credentials seem more than cover J.V. As for Chris Pavlou i dont believe he can bring any more to this club. Marcus Clarke as i have said before seems young ,vibrant and can assist the club re legal matters , fitness and understanding of the training facilities athletes/footballers require.

As i said in an earlier post

Clarke and lee in

Pavlou and Valmorbida out


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Does this mean Sticks is untouchable? There is another candidate, why is he being ovelooked as a contender?


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You coulnt get Sticks out with a crow bar...
all the old bags love him..
hes captain of the century and Ellot turned him into the best ever Carlton player.. ever under the sun.. ever!!!..

Thats how huge he is around the club.. just bestest ever!!..

Cant do a thing wrong even when he has [REDACTED] up big time..

Hes bigger than Texas at Carlton...

Untouchable is an understement...

Survived the Elliot thing all by himself (with williams but Williams couldnt handle it anymore and pulled the pin..)

Sticks could be president at Carlton if he really wanted to ...

Sticks is Sticks...!!!

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:-D I am sure that we will receive something from MC and JV early next week, all I hope is that the members will read all the material that is sent and then decide on which candidates are best to take Carlton forward. I also agree that we need change but only if the new candidates are better than the current ones. Change for change sake will not fix the problem, we need to ensure that GL, MC and CH are viable alternatives to what we currently have.

GL and MC credentials appear very good and would no doubt contribute greatly to our club.....

As to Synbad, the media are doing a fine job with all the negative stuff they write about us, we don't need you slagging off the club including the players all the time.....


Im not slagging off anyone... I want results!!!
No results the blowtorch is applied.!!!

Thst what happens when youre underperforming.

I give the kids a chance and my attention is on the senior players...

Were last you know!!!????

Ps ... what can JV tell us about what he has achieved in three years that we havent already seen with our own eyes????
Or will he give us his background on Sirena tuna and Lavazza coffee and those wines hes marketing in America????.. that has nothing to do with my club!!!

I am going to buy a copy of 'Il Globo' this week and see the double page spread myself...because if he uses the media to our advantage.. he definitely hasnt got us in the Hun or the Age...we must definitlrey have alot of positive articles in 'Il Globo'.. i should be looking there...


Italian Blue.. he has been in charge of our profile...!!!.. thats the portfolio he heads...!!!!
I know hes chipped in with 2 week bridging sponsorships.. so we wear 'Sirena Tuna ' on our jumpers... and i know hes given a space in Carlton for free.,.Hats off to that too...

But ALOT OF CARLTON PEOPLE HAVE CHIPPED IN TO HELP? AND THEYRE NOT EVEN ON THE BOARD...!!!!

So i wanna know what has he done to our brand in the three years he has headed the portfolio....??????

Will he tell me/ show me.. how he has given the Carlton Football Club brand a profile????

The newspapers get stuck into us.. because we dont know what were doing.. and boy are they have a right royal fun three years at our expense!!!

I wanna see people at the club with fresh ideas who want to make a difference to our profile.
Capable people!!!

JV is not a capable man to turn our image around.. i know this because in three years he has been incapable...!!!

So im sick of being told its just over that horizon just keep walking...

Im speaking for myself here Italian Blue... but in my HONEST OPINION theyre making fools of us.. they dont have the answers.. and we need fresh blood!!
the candidates that i know of (Clarke and Lee) will help make a difference.
I will not be complicit to block their path when we most need to encourage FRESH BLOOD putting up their hand!!!...

If were turning blokes like that back at this AGM... i reckon there are others looking in to see what happens.. and if they dont get in.. others wont bother!!!...which will mean at some point something will give...to our detriment!!!

Thats how important i see this election for new blood!!!


Out with the old and in with the new!!!

Thats my new signature... :lol:

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:-D As for our brand Synbad, "Something New, Something Different, Something Blue" I guess you don't want to mention who was behind that do you?????

As usual, all we get from you is dribble.......


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Unbelievable is all I'll say.

Two years ago when we should have had an honest and open debate about IF and WHERE we should move our home games to we got absolute lip service from this Board. They sold us all up the river by bending over and letting AD and the AFL have thier way with us.

Now the AFL is coming back to finish us off.

The unbelievable part is that two years ago many of the people calling for change now were defending the Board tooth and nail.

Shout me down all you like but there are some MAJOR hypocrits on this site.


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KERMIT wrote:
Unbelievable is all I'll say.

Two years ago when we should have had an honest and open debate about IF and WHERE we should move our home games to we got absolute lip service from this Board. They sold us all up the river by bending over and letting AD and the AFL have thier way with us.

Now the AFL is coming back to finish us off.

The unbelievable part is that two years ago many of the people calling for change now were defending the Board tooth and nail.

Shout me down all you like but there are some MAJOR hypocrits on this site.


nice try kermit ... back then the debate revolved around the financial viability of remaining at PP against playing at MCG or TD (my pref was MCG btw) ....

the CURRENT debate revolves around the performance of the Board in terms of:
- developing new revenue streams
- developing the list (via their assessment of the performance of the football dept)
- not being so @#$%&! accident prone to give agenda-driven tossers like mark robinson and fatprick ammunition to use against us.
- the amateurish public promotion displays (i was there for that guernsey presentation debacle!!!!!!!!!!!!)
- why the CEO seems to be the only person for whom the membership hotline, featuring 3 premiership years no less, is a mystery!!! (this gaffe occurred on AM radio during the week)

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Back then the debate was stymied by the Board who were to gutless to put the matter to a vote. The issue of financial viability exists as much today as it did then.

The move was supposed to have cured that by getting us TV exposure, an unbeatable 10 year deal at TD and a state of the art training facility. The sponsors and money was going to roll in.

All of this was communicated in a flimsy package to members which quite frankly was a disgrace. Information sessions were held a 3.30 in the afternoon.

Now the AFL is talking about taking the lease over.

What a load of bullocks that was. We were lied to by a President who has a massive conflict of interest and who continues to smooch up to AD and the AFL. And where is it getting us?

My point was that anyone who dared to oppose what the Board said then was howled down as a Maxwell Gratton supporter. Some of those doing the shouting down then are now calling for the change (which I totally agree with).


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D'spew praises the Board? . . . Well I don't. I give them a pass mark but only just.

I understand what they had to start with but the performance of the current Board has been nothing short of 'amateur hour' at times, and I'll be doing my bit to try and inject some new blood that will bring fresh ideas and hopefully give us some direction.


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:-D As for our brand Synbad, "Something New, Something Different, Something Blue" I guess you don't want to mention who was behind that do you?????

As usual, all we get from you is dribble.......


what does that tell you???
"Something new something old something different"
You obviously think its a work of genius... something that will be so paramount that it will be copied for all eternity....

Heres one for you to take back to your mate....

"Somethings not working.. something is missing....something has to change!!!"

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:? Synbad, Where did the "Old" come from. I seem to have missed something.....Dribble....Dribble....Dribble....as usual only post negatives, this board has done nothing right by you, all they did was save the club from going under but that is something you appear to want to keep very quite.....


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:? Synbad, Where did the "Old" come from. I seem to have missed something.....Dribble....Dribble....Dribble....as usual only post negatives, this board has done nothing right by you, all they did was save the club from going under but that is something you appear to want to keep very quite.....


Mate, I think Synbad is grateful for what the board did when they took over. All he wants now is for those people to go quietly into the night and let other people (Clarke, Lee, Hart etc) step in and lead us into the future.

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Italian Blue wrote:
:? Synbad, Where did the "Old" come from. I seem to have missed something.....Dribble....Dribble....Dribble....as usual only post negatives, this board has done nothing right by you, all they did was save the club from going under but that is something you appear to want to keep very quite.....


Why are they negatives Ros..... i mean Italian Blue???

Youre starting to sound like a politician.. if you criticise us youre anti Australian....

Yes they put their hands up three years ago.. thank you very much ..!!! now move on we have an evolution to take place..

R.. i mean Italian Blue... do you seriously think theyre in there for life now????? :lol:

Are they untiuchables ???

JV and Chris Pavlou... (SOMETHING OLD..... ) Marcus Clarke and Greg Lee..SOMETHING NEW!!!!)

hEY thats pretty clever marketing dont you think ????? :wink:

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