Thats not correct Rhys.
Brittain claimed that football is played like basketball at TD and he is 100% correct.
Sydney has just won a flag playing the same way.

Teams now zone back behind the ball like Basketball and force the opposition to pass the ball around trying to break the zone.
Except when a turnover takes place and a fast break is created.

Carlton played to their strengths under Brittain.
They had a slow but skillful side and so they retained possession.

Jarusa, have a look at the injuries Carlton had in 2002.
As Molseys article show, Carltons top 10 possession winners from 2001 missed an average of 6.5 games each.
Including-

The best player in the competition that year Kouta- Missed 19 games!
Captain Brett Ratten- Missed 10 games!
Vice Captain Craig Bradley- missed 3 games
Vice Captain Adrian Hickmott- missed 5 games!
All Australian Andrew McKay- missed 3 games!
Darren Hulme- missed 19 games!

Not to mention-
Full Back Glenn Manton missed 13 games
All Australian Lance Whitnall missed 8 games
All Australian Matthew Allan missed 18 games.

We blooded players like a 18 year old Justin Davies, 18 year old Bret Thornton, 19 year old Blake Campbell, 19 year old Trent Sporn, 19 year old Luke Livingston, 19 year old Simon Wiggins.
This group of players played a total of 70 games between them.

And after all that, we lost 2 games for the year by more than 10 goals.

3 years down the track, we lost 5 games by in excess of 10 goals and finished last. WITH NO INJURIES.

Speak to the players who have played under Pagan and Brittain and ask them who was tactically more adept Jarusa.
I think they'd know better than you or I.

Our tactics against Port were laughable a few weeks ago.
Port conceded the first kick from defence to us and we were too stupid to structure up to take advantage of it.
We continually gave it to players who had brain explosions and kicked it straight to them.We were comprehensively flogged in the coaches box to the stage where it was laughable.

Brittain would eat Pagan for breakfast tactically.

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Exactly how am I talking shit? While you lot all dance around club officials and think you're in the know, some of us have known club stalwarts their entire lives.

Brittain lost his motivational connection with the players and, like Synbad said, had no depth of experience to draw to steer the ship in the right direction. Injuries didn't help him but he was shot overall as a coach.

He was always bit-part under Parkin, stopping gaps and filling voids. When he had full control and hit a bump, he pulled out nothing. If he was so influential under Parkin (and he was, but he was no Parko) then he had a hand in the state of the list also.

I was also told that Brittain showed scant regard for maintaining player fitness regimes, which the senior boys usually propelled the players through. This was a strategy employed by Parkin in the golden years because these were superstars, highly professional footy players who lead the way for those around them. When they started to flow out of the club, so did that level of professionalism.

Pagan is exactly what we need, and no matter how much Brittain tries to change his spots, he has failed at the highest level because he can't do it all. He is a motivator in the right circumstances but he is useless at most other things.

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As for BV you just completely contradicted yourself.

Brittain, by your admission had a slow but skilful team.

Pagan initially had a slow and skill-less team. Same game plan would work? Ah, no.

Pagan then had a slightly pacier, slightly more skillful team full of one-trick ponies (mainly because they're all pretty inexperienced).

Tactically out of depth? Hardly. The man has been trying to build up their skill sets. All this whinging about old-fashioned training, basic crap. We've been needing it. Pagan is doing the right thing and is building the list up to be multi-dimensional, and has been chipping away at a simplistic game plan to better suit his team.

Jarusa could probably cite this with statistics, but you don't really need it. Until we demonstrate an aptitude at particular skills like keeping over the ball in a contest, keeping in the contest and disposing the ball under pressure, why the @#$%&! wouldn't you train at those skills?! Why the @#$%&! wouldn't you build up muscle sets that make you competent at these things?

Now we've been moving onto upping pace and endurance a bit more and soon enough we will switch to a lot more pure skills work. Our kicking skills are not that far behind the rest when you consider targets run into space after burning off their opponents and display strength in contests a lot.

It's all about players becoming reliable targets, then chipping away at skill errors.

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BV,

Good points.
I still don’t think he was the right man to lead us forward though.
I agree that Denis Pagan is definitely the wrong man for us

You have seen the light Rhys or just had enough like the rest of us.

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He ain't the right man to lead us forward.

BV
Getting back to Britts tactical nous/skilll wasn't he the one that thought of the idea to recruit O'Reily so that we could free SOS to play forward??

Here's a link to an old article on Brittain on CSC - A profile - Wayne Brittain

It was written before his sole year of coaching started, but gives a fair bit of background on him.

Looks like that Blueseum link is everywhere!

Look - if there's a thread about Brittain - i'm LINKING IT.

Heh.

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thanks for the link - a great article

More cliche's and babble Jimmae.

You spend 30% of your time here lecturing people, 25% admitting you were wrong and the remaining 45% trotting out meaningless cliches.

Give me something of substance.

Not your little Paganisms.








He doesnt forget the possession era back when they legitimised the handball?


Give me something substantial.
I dont think Pagan is tactically up to it anymore.
I give reasons and thoughts on why.
You rebut with rhymes and babble.
Tell me what Pagans tactical strengths are.
What style of play are we establishing and how does it differ from our past efforts.

Give me something other than mindless cliches.

BTW Jar, lets compare apples with apples.
I'll tell you how effective Brittain was with no injuries and you tell me how effective Pagan was.

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Pagan's tactics are simple Blue Vain. Kick it to Fev, and if that doesn't work, give the ball to Warnie. No, wait .... that's Punter.

Are we there yet?

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BV listen to the linked audio and you will understand what I mean. Back when handballing as we know it today was introduced, it was all about running and maintaining possession by passing the ball of by hand in the midfield because grounds were windy and kicking was generally to position. Skills have become much better in the last few years so now it's possession by foot.

He stated that soon we will see a truly dominant key-forward return to the game and gamestyles will change again but for the moment he's trying to work with the times. Is that good enough to you or do I have to waste my time typing out information because you're too lazy to seek it out?

It's not babble and cliched, it's me not divulging every last bit of analysis on a public forum. We do flood with pace, we don't try to hold the ball up on our opponents, nor are we able to with all the new contact rulings.

The one in the middle was in a discussion on the game against the dees and if betting for the blues to win by 25+ was a decent bet. I only apologise because a lot of the time I'm going off the top of my head, so I am prone to making mistakes there and then.

I mean look at the dees vs us on the paper. We have a better defense and the forward lines are fairly comparable in strength in options, it's their midfield that's going to cut us up, nothing else will.

So if their midfield performs we're going to be hard pressed unless our blokes actually pressure their ball movement, which would put the teams on an even keel in the midfield stakes. That or they don't perform and we run over the top of them.

Anything else you want that doesn't require me writing an essay?

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Jimmae our defence is one of the worst in history.

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Just want to correct you on a minor point. It is the worst defence in our history

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I will concede Pagan is tactically limited.

However, I will defend his general gameplan in the sense that the best way to goal is to hit targets long and get the ball into F50 as often as you can with some semblance of structure.

I am all for the direct game plan when going into F50. However, out of the back half, it is imperative to keep possession.

I am sick of Pagan not rotating our midfielders. He didn't do it at North, he doesn't do it at Carlton.

I am sick of him not trying things that might actually work. Fevola to FB was a lesson. Why doesn't he try Fish at FF occasionally or something - anything to try to get the tactical advantage over the opposition.

If we wanted a coach with tactical nous, then we should have got Wallace.

You used to defend Pagan BV didn't you?

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Have you seen what the Dees line up is for this weekend?

Statistically speaking you're right, but on paper the back six is starting to look tighter. You shouldn't really rate defense purely on points conceeded, that's just media beat-up.

All that measures is our overall defensive effort. All 18 players there.

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I rate our defence by just looking at how inept they are in every way. Poor at stopping their individual opponents, poor at bringing the ball out of the backline just poor working together as a unit fullstop.

Like you need numbers to see our defence is woeful.

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It's not even your back six that will lose the game for you, it's simply your bottom six. Every team has "stars" in various positions, however lack of depth off the bench will kill you every time...

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