Other people deserve a second chance before Karl!

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"Dont count the games, make the games count"

You've obviously never met me jimmae... or Karl

Hed be a good pickup as a rookie, but only if there were no other options available.

Although I would want a fair bit of proof that he has changed for the better.

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My Blue Heaven

I've met Karl, reminds me of one of my cousins, if Karl had've done what my cousin did he would have been crucified.

My cousin is back on the right track now though. It's easy to say how many chances you have but sports clubs set the bar awfully high and are pretty poor in assisting misguided youth. More laps don't do the trick.

So if you give him a list of things to do, and he does every single one of them - what would you do then? Give him the opportunity. It's not a war crime, he didn't commit a felony unlike Laurie.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

No way!
Nothing against him and if he has changed his ways, hope another club could pick him up but the club would look foolish to delist him after a number of chances and then go and pick him up again after he promises that he has changed his ways. IMO he has run his race at Carlton.

I don't think its about if he has changed or not. It is about the way the Club will be seen if they do this. The Club needs to be seen to have strong morals and conviction. Let another club take a chance with him.

The problem here is you've all put him in the Laurie and Campo basket where they have pretty much told the club to piss off.

Karl was just jaded by the experience, he didn't piss on the club (at least in public).

Might not be exactly the same thing but look at Glen Bowyer, I'm sure there's others. Pretty unforgiving mentality from some of you guys. The world's not the place it was even 10 years ago to grow up in.

How the club looks? Bah. If they come out and explain the decision making process I think people will understand, and if it's a success (and it would have to be if they decided to take him on, I doubt he'd get in the door otherwise) it would be fantastic positive media for the club and the sport.

Might even get a few minor sponsors or charities involved with the club and that generates other sponsors, positive media.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Gone .... we all move on.

Good luck to Karl if he finds a new home, but not with us.

Having watched us beat the Dees on Sunday arvo i would think a club like them should consider Karl... But do they or anyone else want to take the risk ?? would he be better suited interstate ???

Good Luck if he makes it.... and.... Some of us shouldn't be so critical of him, after all we did Hotton a second chance and he made the most of it...

Good Luck Karl but Carlton is not where your future lies....

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I know a little secret. And i'm not sharing.

The possible negatives far outweight any positives. What if he happened to stuff up again? Can we really afford more bad press? The media already twists enough negative news on us as it is. The heading wouldn't be 'Karl Stuffs Up Again' it would be 'Blues Sink to New Low'
People will not be understanding (unless maybe you are a Carlton supporter). It will look like a backflip by the Club and any explainations would just seem like bull$hit window dressing.
New sponsors? for what? No serious business whats their brand associated with anything to do with recreational drugs, past or not.

If he made the comeback and came through as a reformed man, then we generate good press with charities and generate positive media, then we are perceived by other sponsors as a family club who helps out their fellow man.

It's an angle not really pursued by sports clubs anymore.

I would only support the idea if they went and made Karl do a hell of a lot of hoop jumping to ensure the chance of a negative outcome is minimal. No one's going to just let him walk back on his word.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Who gives a stuff what the media say ? who elected them ?
If those pricks have got it in for you,the've got it in for you.They will go after you no matter what you do.If it would be good for Carlton,then thats all that matters.

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All my dangerous friends

Firstly lighten up people aren't crucifying him just some harmless needling

But seriously, no. not at Carlton. Not for our sake, but his. Worst thing for him would be to think he didn;t do so bad after all.

Let him go back into the draft.

let him make a start somehwere else.

Let him start again.

Then he might make it. Not here.

If he does nominate and get picked - I'll hope like hell he makes it and maybe even harbor a secret hope one day we'll trade for him, (but that will just be a pleasant pipe dream) after me makes it on his own.

However any other way the club can help, short of redrafting, would be a great idea.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

If Karl makes it back to AFL it will be the Dogs I reckon. That's where he always wanted to play.

On talent yes, on character no. We've gone to a lot of effort in the 2005 draft to select good guys with leadership and work ethics.

My personal opinion aside, the club wouldn't do it.

besides, we have a lot of talented talls coming through anyway, may not need him like we did 2-3 years ago.

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Jim most only know 1/10th of what went on with Karl. Good luck to him if he has another go but don't let it be with us. We'd be like Charlie Brown falling for Lucy's 'kick the football' trick one to many times if we gave him chance number 398.

Regards Cazzesman

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If available and he was the best option after all else we needed was taken, you might consider him, but we dont really need him now.

There would have to be a lot of strong and convincing evidence that the leopard had indeed changed his spots.

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My Blue Heaven

Showed the interview again on ST just then, he has a long way to go to be AFL ready.

If he was building towards it already I would be impressed but fat @#$%&! chance if he's carrying that much body fat. Thumbs down for me.

In future though, this shouldn't be a reason to deny someone if they work hard on themselves and come back a better player and person.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Wasn't he asked to train with the Doggies over the summer and just did not front up?

The first post in this thread said something about him thinking that the players involved in drug use should be named, well being named did not help him turn up to training with the Doggies, it did not help him focus on turning his career around at Carlton. It put more pressure on him to play well. It turned supporters against him, brought the club into ill-repute and just made an ungly mess out of it all.

He had not demonstrated one positive after being named as far as I can tell. Now he justs wants a few more names made public so he's not the only one we remember as a pill-popper.

And for all those who argue that he has not done anything that a lot of other kids his age are doing then that is true. The difference being that he is a public figure for the Carlton Football Club and we have a brand to protect. If he wants a life of a recreational drug user then fine, it's his life, but he should not be doing it at the expense of the Carlton brand.

And just to join with the double entendres...

I was euphoric when we signed him. A good sized tall that was prepared to run the lines and would inject some grit into the side. I thought he had genuine speed but I guess I must have been hallucinating.... blah, blah, blah...

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I thought Karl was alright when he first started with us, but after all the drugs and messing up at training,i kind of thought maybe he should go, to bring him back would be a major mistake,the team are bonding,they dont need someone like him unsettling the group.

funny thing is, didn't his mate Angwin,say the same rubbish the year he was gone from the AFL, on how he has changed,he just wants to get on the news because he is a nobody now, that misses AFL.One thing for sure Carlton, will not take him back,one of the 15 others may,but i wouldn't hold my breath.

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