i think that by changing in this way, a whole set of new possibilities will emerge.

destiny is very much in our hands, but often people are to stubborn to see how they have the power to change the course of things in a major way. nothing is set. we all make profound choices good or bad.

The new pagan game plan is a very good choice. makes me feel very good about Denis.

there will be bad days but its all upside from here.

most of the players we need for a finals assault before the end of this decade are now here.

Its just a question of time and development. there might be a few new faces to come though, but most of the people we need are in place now.

There wont be any of the 2004 foreign legion left in our new side. all will have departed.

I think that the scene is also set for some 'quantum leaps' in the near future - these are times when bigger jumps forward are achieved that otherwise might be expected. This shocks those who have a superficial approach, but its no surprise to others with deeper insights.

its not really a quantum leap though, its actually a bit of an illusion. It just looks that way because of the perspective that some people have on things.

Most people dont see all the years of unrewarded behind the scenes work that goes on and when a big jump forward happens, they think its some kind of miracle when actually its the result of a hell of a lot of work that most mugs never see.

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I have got to give credit to Pagan for this change in plan- It is a lot like what Brittain was trying to introduce .

The most pleasing fact was the players had a real dip and put pressure on the opposition when they had the ball. We didn't bomb it to a contest either and looked for the best option .

There was only two players in that side that weren't with us last year so it shows what a change in the plan and a change in attitude can do .

Hope it continues

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Agree wholeheartly tho not for the same reason. This is a game plan the younger players (and the older for that matter) can grow into. The old game plan was too much towards contests and very much an individual solution to winning those contests - whether marking or winning the ball, busting the line and running the ball. This worked well for Norths in the 90s
because they had the bodies to handle it. Now our kids can get 'easier' possessions by running hard to make position to get a non-contest ball. And we share the load by backing each other up with creative handball. I remember Stevens saying the papers in the middle of our good '04 form that "we play better football when we look for each other." That's what we did against Melbourne.

Generally, I don't think the seniors you mentioned ignored the kids - the object pre-06 was pretty well to get the ball and kick it long (ignoring most other options).

Anyhow, I'm happy.

geez it's shit footy though isn't it.

The winning gets me over it. But my god it's crap to watch teams play like this.

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why is it shite footy? Would you rather kick to a contest or kick to an open player who can mark unattended? With skills and fitness getting better there are more uncontested marks, because the players are running hard to get open and have the skills to hit their targets.

I love watching the boys pinpoint passes and work the ball towards the fwd 50, nothing wrong with that. If the opposition is zoning off, you might as well kick it to the open man, switch play and hit the leading fwd on the other side of the ground.

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I disagree with this, the Brittain game plan was moulded much more around handball. In fact, in 2002 it was not uncommon to see the Carlton player who gained possession stop and look backwards for a handball option.

On Sunday evening, movements were predominantly lateral or forward primarily by foot (although with shorter penetration to a free player rather than a contest).

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I reckon its multiple game plans based abit more around empowement of players, more like parkin. If the forward line isopen they run it in fast using pace from the back half like Walker, McGrath and Simmo.

If the forward line or midfield is clogged theyhold on to it until an option emerges. Unlike the Swans and Pies who go sideways I think alot of our movements wre still forward, but maybe i am biased.

So they have to work it out when they're out there. Its not one solution fits all, nor should it be.

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The ideal game plan is when the players get switch different gameplans according to the situation at hand.
Pagans game plan can still be used at certain times in a match.

You look at soccer and good teams know when to attack and when to defend.. when to hold the ball up and when to move forward.. how to break down a packed defence .

Thats where were heading.

Pretty or not.. it doesnt matter... its about perfecting the game plan as much as possible to your advantage.

There is no one gameplan...

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It had to change because of the defensive tactics of other teams. I've changed my mind now and decided that it's a response to the zonal defence employed by certain teams. If Melbourne and Collingwood don't want to get drawn out and contest the ball, f$%k them. Why should the opposition play into their hands when they are unwilling to provide a contest in the first place.

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Jar I meant high possession not necessary same playing style .

Keeping the ball in your hands

They will have to be careful with the switch of play because sides will wait for it and when it goes bad it gets ugly

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Thats it isnt it folks ! Not just one game plan but 3 or 4 and alternating between them during the game.Makes ya brain hurt just thinkin about it.
I have been giving shit to Denis since he has been here,but he gets top marks from me for adapting the way he has.Credit where credit is due.Crazy part is Campo would pick up 50 touches a game if he was still with us.Why the bloody hell didnt you tell Campo about your plans Denis ?

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Because he wanted him gone after that ratshit of a year in 2005!

So now we are giving Pagan credit for a style of game that Brittain was introducing 4 years ago. What the? Where have we been for these past three years? Trying to implement a game plan that was past its use by date. That's where.

Pagan beleives that eventually the game will go back to dominant forwards and marking contests. I dont think he ever really changed his mind on that. We have tried to do it over the last couple of years but unfortunately we dont have a 25yo Wayne Carey to rely upon at CHF. In the meantime the possession game has taken over and we've been overrun in the process.

I reckon Pago is evolving his game plan. I reckon his theory is sound but he needs to have the right cattle in place to execute it. Flooding is great on the smaller grounds, but I reckon Moneghetti would struggle to flood at Subiaco etc. If you have a more rounded gameplan you will be better able to succeed everywhere, not just at the SCG and TD.

What we saw on Sun had us chasing and harassing the Melb ball carriers, forcing them to rush their kicks into our defensive set ups. In close we bottled it up, denied their forwards any space to work in and then broke. When we rebounded we moved the ball very fast and generally (not always I know) we brought it to an open forward line where our forwards were an even chance at least to win the ball. You can flood all you like, but no player, not even Judd is as quick as a ball kicked 50m. If you can move the ball quick enough you can get in behind the flood. If you bottle up the possession game long enough it buys your team time to get back with the defensive flood.

Dennis has been banging on since he got to the club about defensive pressure right across the ground. It makes it hard to play the 'slow tempo' possession game out on the wings when Eddie Betts or Fev are on your hammer about to stove your head in!!!

In Fev and Waite we have some prescence in an open forward line and Eddie is looking like a primo goalsneak in the making. The key for us will be maintaining the pressure right across the ground. if we can do that and stop the pin point delivery to open forwards by the opposition we will be a chance in every game we play. It is a big ask of the lads, especially on the big grounds.

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I think Terry Wallace said it best (wonder swill never cease) - it doesn't matter what coaches think is the best type of football to play - it's what wins games that matters the most. Even a dinosaur like Pagan has realised this.

He was asked about that prior to Sunday's match on radio & he said he wanted him to stay but it was out of his hands.

Yes BW he's been on the record about that a couple of times.

Was just trying to be funny, that's all. Should have put an asterisk next to the line and a memo underneath saying '* molsey trying to be amusing, again'

Well what Pagan says & what he really thinks aren't necessarily the same!!!

I still feel the game plan is an adaptation of his efforts at North to fall in line with the playing list and the competition in general.

He reiterated his feelings about the change back to long kicking and we may see that sooner rather than later with the super draft brandishing a lot of talented talls.

The stats don't show my thoughts, but it looks much more like how North played than anything else I've seen.

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