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Blue Vain wrote:
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OK,

since 2002.

campo contributing to comeback wins:
Last year versus Adelaide, had a huge last quarter, 29 possies, 2 goals for the game.

campo starring in massive losses:
30 disposals in a 118 point loss to West Coast in R15 2003
26 disposals in a 91 point loss to St Kilda in R20 2003
26 disposals in a 124 point loss to Kangaroos in R22 2003

campo average possies in losses = 21
campo average possies in wins = 20

in games lost by > 100 points = 24 possies average

bugger all difference there, hardly a downhill skier. Give the bloke some credit.


I dont view these stats as a positive. :?
Perhaps they tell us that when Campo puts time into his opponent and shows accountability, we win.
Its all well to get 30 possessions when we get flogged by 20 goals but how did his opponent go?
Did his opponent contribute significantly to a huge win?

How many stats a player recieves in a loss are only significant if we know how his opponent fared.

As an example Jarrad Crouch was in Sydneys best players on the weekend and contributed to a great win over Brisbane.

He had 6 possessions.

I'm not knocking your stats Jarusa.
As you know I'm a bit of a stats lover and love reading your stuff but we're not getting a true indication out of these ones.


:) I happen to agree, but I wasn't going to mention it. :)

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Jarusa wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
OK,

since 2002.

campo contributing to comeback wins:
Last year versus Adelaide, had a huge last quarter, 29 possies, 2 goals for the game.

campo starring in massive losses:
30 disposals in a 118 point loss to West Coast in R15 2003
26 disposals in a 91 point loss to St Kilda in R20 2003
26 disposals in a 124 point loss to Kangaroos in R22 2003

campo average possies in losses = 21
campo average possies in wins = 20

in games lost by > 100 points = 24 possies average

bugger all difference there, hardly a downhill skier. Give the bloke some credit.


I dont view these stats as a positive. :?
Perhaps they tell us that when Campo puts time into his opponent and shows accountability, we win.
Its all well to get 30 possessions when we get flogged by 20 goals but how did his opponent go?
Did his opponent contribute significantly to a huge win?

How many stats a player recieves in a loss are only significant if we know how his opponent fared.

As an example Jarrad Crouch was in Sydneys best players on the weekend and contributed to a great win over Brisbane.

He had 6 possessions.

I'm not knocking your stats Jarusa.
As you know I'm a bit of a stats lover and love reading your stuff but we're not getting a true indication out of these ones.


:) I happen to agree, but I wasn't going to mention it. :)


well you better fill BM in.. i think he is out of the loop re stats.


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You can make stats say whatever you want, hell I do it at work all the time.

Overblown contract or no, I would rather have Campo in our team than not or worse playing elsewhere.

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BTW Campo's contract is somewhat less than 600 000, but hey what would I know Iam out of the various loops :wink:

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I heard from a trusted source that he was getting 600K, while a Carlton great who killed himself every game he played was getting less than half Down hill Skier's salary. I've gone off Camporeale completely after his effort on the weekend and as much as I hate Holland he didn't do anything untoward. At least Holland takes the hits and stops his opponent whilst getting the ball.
The club should cut his salary in half and if he doesn't like it trade him for a 2nd round pick! What's pisses me off most is he hasn't improved each year which champs do and has stagnated while a player we overlooked in Yze is starring each week. I always defended him whilst my mate chastised him every bad game he played during the past 3 years, not anymore!


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[As an example Jarrad Crouch was in Sydneys best players on the weekend and contributed to a great win over Brisbane.

He had 6 possessions.

How could Crouch be in Sydney's best players on the weekend? I'm no huge fan of Akermanis but he was everywhere with 20 off possessions and two goals. If Crouch's job was to stop Akermanis getting the ball then he didn;t do his job


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Dr Silvagni, as we have learned stats do not count. It is perceptions and a bit of old good bias that count. Jarrad Couch looked good thus he got the votes. Meanwhile Acker had a shocker apparrently, depsite my view that he was easily best on ground.

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And of course Campo got his black eye because he runs wide for the soft ball, could not have happened while he was contesting the ball could it?

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BlueMark wrote:
Dr Silvagni, as we have learned stats do not count. It is perceptions and a bit of old good bias that count. Jarrad Couch looked good thus he got the votes. Meanwhile Acker had a shocker apparrently, depsite my view that he was easily best on ground.


In which universe did Crouch even look good? Akermanis made a very good tagger look silly on Saturday. The only person who looked sillier was Akermanis with his constant acting for free kicks. Got very boring very quickly. When he went for the ball he killed Crouch.


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drsilvagni wrote:
[As an example Jarrad Crouch was in Sydneys best players on the weekend and contributed to a great win over Brisbane.

He had 6 possessions.

How could Crouch be in Sydney's best players on the weekend? I'm no huge fan of Akermanis but he was everywhere with 20 off possessions and two goals. If Crouch's job was to stop Akermanis getting the ball then he didn;t do his job


Dont ask me legend, ring the Hun and ask the reporter who did the match review.

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Blue Vain wrote:
drsilvagni wrote:
[As an example Jarrad Crouch was in Sydneys best players on the weekend and contributed to a great win over Brisbane.

He had 6 possessions.

How could Crouch be in Sydney's best players on the weekend? I'm no huge fan of Akermanis but he was everywhere with 20 off possessions and two goals. If Crouch's job was to stop Akermanis getting the ball then he didn;t do his job


Dont ask me legend, ring the Hun and ask the reporter who did the match review.


I think it's because from his possessions Aker could have got 8. Keeping him to only 2 was a brilliant effort.


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The club should cut his salary in half and if he doesn't like it trade him for a 2nd round pick!


No club will give anything of value for a 30 year old.


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I think Denis would compare him with what he had at north and shake his head..


Denis wasn't on all that much at North was he. Very underrated for a dual premiership coach. His contract worked ot for us in the end though.

That's life. No point getting worked up about such meaningless aspects of football. Fast track to an early grave.


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BTW Campo's contract is somewhat less than 600 000, but hey what would I know Iam out of the various loops :wink:
It does sound like you are out of the loop again BM.
I can assure you his contract is upwards of 600 not under.


Oooh and you can always call me and ask what my source is. :wink:
How far wide Campo runs will be assessed at his next contract BM.
Interestingly Dermie was talking about 'losers limp' today.
when some players talk themselves into a limp for sympathy. when theyre not playing well.
Campo has 'losers agro '... gets involved in rubbish so he doesnt have to do the hard stuff...its his excuse to why he isnt playing well.

By the way if Kouta is playing well and Stevo is an out and out gun.. how come were not dominating the midfield seeing Scotland has been good and Campo is a superstar/Voss/Buckley???

I must be missing something cos i see Kouta and stevo busting their arse each week.
Even with 3 out and out superstars wed have close to the best midfield going around.
the truth is we have only 2 very productive midfielders.. and a couple of others who are good on their day.
therefore we shouldnt kid ourselves with what a superstar we have in our hands in Campo. He isnt overly productive. Just an ok footballer on 600k pa who likes geting sidetracked and is also a vice captain because we had noone else and had to go with service not credibility.
To sit there and pretend Campo is some absolute gun midfielder that does everything thats asked of him is rich.
Campo = overated by some Carlton supporters and previous board .
In my opinion if we cant judge senior players the way they deserve to be judged we have no excuse when were not performing to a satisfactory level.
Look at the North midfielders like Simpson (who doesnt have that much natural class)and then look at Campo...
Campo isnt a Denis type player.


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I reckon Synbad has never been downhill skiing, it's bloody hard! :lol:

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I'm becoming very fed up with Campo...He is an idiot, I remeber we all said that when he hit the Essendon* player in the WC and now again...If someone made a decent offer for him at the end of the year, i would definately take it...


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I've always been under the impression Synbad is the Club's plumber.


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I've always been under the impression Synbad is the Club's plumber.


ZING!

There are a million lines there. :lol:

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Ahhh yes Synbad the one who wanted to get rid of both Lance and Kouta last year. Very quick with the axe is our Synbad. But now he is extolling Kouta as the epitime of leadership, very quiet about Lance at the mo but we know he is waiting patiently with the knife.

Once he has gotten rid of Kouta, Lance and Campo all of whom have been held up by Synbad at one time or another as what is wrong with our club. I wonder who is next? Waite?, Karl?........Thornton is showing a bit be careful Bret you will be trade bait next.

It is easy to attack people for thier failings Synbad much less easy to have patience and recognise what a person offers and to celebrate that.

Question Do you or do you not want Campo at the club? If you do then get over the contract what is done is done. If you do not want Campo at the club, be honest about it and suggest what we get for him.

In my view Campo is worth more to us in the side failings and all than not to have him in the side.

When you look at it, it is a simple question really.

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BM, i never said i wanted to get rid of Kouta and Whitnall.. just Whitnall.
I wanted Kouta to take a pay cut. Which he did.... :wink:
I still want to get rid of Whitnall... now that he is worth something.

Once theyre gone (Im talking about those that held the club to ransom over the last few years and greedily took the money (Remember a football club is unlike any other corporation because when 3 blokes suck up nearly 2 million dollars of the wages it means.. 35 players have to share 4 million. (That must make sense to you BM but it doesnt to me)

We had a problem with clulture and $$$$... and these guys have been partly responsible (Especially Campo who was never good enough to demand that kind of $$$$$$$$$ and Whitnall who once he took it thought it was his gravy train and he would never ever have to prepare himself like an elite athlete.

Im not quiet on Lance .. he hasnt blown the AFL footy worl apart!!
You obviously think he is our answer at $550k pa at CHF.. I see a guy trying hard cos his meal ticket was almost gone but not the guy who fits Denis game plan at CHF. Hes a third tall in a good side. Were not a good side yet so to us he is a luxury we cant afford.

The best thing about Lance is he is tradeable again...
What we need is a guy that can take a pack mark. Lance cant.
I wont bag Lance if he is trying.. why should i??
I did bag him last year cos he was a coach potato wearing the famous navy blue jumper and robbing the club of over half a million a year for 3 years.

You reckon i should have patience with Whitnall and Campo??? :lol:

*News flash* Campo is about to turn 30 not 20....


Id let anyone go if it means we improve our list.

I dont want to have the Collingwood mentality. ... Clokes x 3 and Shaws x 3 just cos their fathers played for the club... now theyre suffering the consequences.
they could have had Stevens and Scotland running around for them but they have Didak.. why??? Cos someone couldnt see what was going on cos he has no idea. !!!

Sorry mate! The old brigade helped us lose Goddard and Wells along with the previous board.. Money money money... !!! Well now i can smile as they get bent over and get their just deserts cant i???
I mean they havent performed when we most needed them...
Its not like they are kids right???

Your view on Campos worth is your view... fair enough!!But mines mine..
You think Campo is worth 600k and hes a great leader and courageous player. I dont.

Funny how we can both watch a game of footy and have 2 different views. .. but thats footy.
We both look at and for different things in a team.


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