Denis is a bitter old man. The Kangaroos were happy to see the back of him walk out the door infact he was shoved out with such force that he needed a parachute break the land record speed a human has ever reached.

Its time for him to go.......... Offer Malcom Blight the job (and a golf resort)

Probably, I should just go to bed.

This game is too difficult to play subtlely.

LOL - yes the Roos have done so well getting a younger ex-player as coach...

So if Denis was still coaching you think they would do any better, i doubt it very much. Trust me mate plenty of people down at Arden street were happy to see him go, very very bitter he is

Get real, he's in his 4th year, the list is coming along ok, and we still can't beat Richmond. We may go from last to last in 4 years. Don't want to be last to last over 6 years. He can't get the best out of the players, it stands out.

Laidley has pretty done with a list way worse that Denis ever had. This is their first bad start. No Carey's on that list now.

So you would rather we finish 9th this year (rather than 14th-16th) by recruiting a fresh coach mid-season?

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I would rather watch Carlton play under the old Pagan game plan of contested, long kicking football than this crap we play now. @#$%&! maybe we should ask the defensive king the one and only Michael Jordan to coach us?

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This is headless chook stuff. Get a grip.

Please elaborate? Even blind freedy could tell you Pagan and his commitee are running out of lifelines making mistake after mistake at present.

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Biggest mistake keeping Elshaug and Libba as assistant coaching appointments

Maybe hard to rid DP mid season i would rather do things in stages i would get rid of Libba and Elshaug

Get Peter Dean back into the fold
Peter Dean - backs coach
Mitchell put him as the Midfield Coach or try and get Rats back
Forward coach - TD i guess just to keep costs down

And the other appointment a skills coach any suggestions cause who ever is the skills coach at the moment needs to be put out to the pasture our skills are killing us and we need to get someone in i said it last year and will say it again target someone from Port / West caoast preficient at teaching skills and if this is not a number one priority i dont know why this hasnt been addressed when it has been shocking fior several seasons .. i guess Elshaug and Libba are the main skills coaches well show them there marching orders ... Try and get Rats maybe with the view that he stays there long enough he may get the top gig. As i said get Peter dean into the fold tough Defender and has heaps of Respect by all carlton

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The clear fact is that Pagan has changed his game plan this year to a very defensive mode of play. This has confused the players, especially the young players who had drilled into them over the previous 2 years to play an attacking mode by running in numbers and kicking long into the forward 50. They feel that Pagan is not willing to back their ability, so they have less belief in themselves. Lack of self belief is a very debilitating thing. It leads to low confidence, poor morale and hesitation in decision-making on the field, which in turn leads to mistakes and turnovers!

Whatever you think of Pagan, he is a survivor. He has analysed his circumstances now and decided that to survive at Carlton he must ensure one thing - the Carlton team of 2006 does not suffer the level of beatings that it endured in 2005. Hence the current game plan. He must at least be able to say that .... "we are competitive" .... "the boys are trying " .... "it is going to take time" .... "we need to have patience with the young players".

He is banking on the absence of large losses being seen as 'improvement'. He is hoping to keep the natives from getting too restless. He is buying time! ...... but for one reason and one reason only. To prevent the pressure that could come for an early termination to his contract!

The current game strategy is doing the current young players no good whatsoever.

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As hard as it is to imply terms into a contract, it is surely implied that satisfactory performance is a fundamental term of the contract?

Having said that, if I were Carlton's lawyers, I'd be looking very seriously at Denis' contract, to see if there are any loopholes we can exploit.

We may not be getting beaten by huge amounts, but the Tigers won because we were more sh*t than they were.

Our disposal is appalling and our lack of movement through midfield and the forward line when our HB line is trying to find a target is downright disappointing. We always kick to static targets expecting our players to take marks when not on the lead.

Whitnall going back was a very very poor move. We were matching Richmond on the scoreboard, we needed to kick a score and the only way to do that with Fevola misfiring was to move Whitnall forward.

Poor coaching effort there from Denis. The way Richo was going, he was going to kick a few anyway, we needed to create mismatches around the ground and that didn't happen.

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after the Hawthorn game last week, Lappin with Stevens in support, spoke up about the lack of a forward structure and just how frustrating that is as a midfielder when you take possession, look up and see either no one in the forward 50 or only one forward with 4 defenders around him. Lappin suggested that we get enough of the ball but the game plan is so defensive the midfielders begin to look incompetent.

Pagan responded, "I hear what you are saying SON, but I think we are a better team when everyone plays behind the ball". There is no doubt he is playing to restrict the damage and not to win. He has conceded before we begin.

I think it showed in how both Lappin and Stevens played tonight. Both were dissappointed in the response from Pagan at last weeks post match meeting and it really showed tonight.

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. I agree that Lappin and Stevens didn't look interested at all tonight. Poor effort from them. Even though they're disappointed in the coach (rightfully so), they should have put in a better effort than they did tonight.

However, as I said in the AFL thread - if we are not 4-8 after 12 rounds, Denis will be under the pump. We've got 4 tough games coming up and I think we're going to lose all of them the way we're playing. If we're 1-7 after 8, then I really think Denis will be under the pump.

Thanks for sharing preacher, even if it made me even more angry.

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This game was there for the taking and we blew it big time. Very dissapointed with Nick Stevens and Brendan Fevola tonight. These guys did not deliver when it counted.
On the other hand Walker, Murphy and Simpson played as they if were the leadership group. Well done to those boys.

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This is Pagan 2nd proper season,i dont really count the 2 seasons before because of the list that was turned over,that couldn't be much done without the good draft picks,but the team surely needs to improve next year and improve alot half way through this season.

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Bang Bang.

Add Denis the Pagan to that list.

Anyhow, nice to see all those supporters who were wedged so far up Pago arse they hadn't seen the light of day for 3 years, finally popping out to face reality. You better get a proper hurry on though Rocky...

Sad but true.

Whitnall to the backline when we were 3 goals up - oh Denis!

I spoke to an ex- Carlton player yesterday, who said, "One down, one to go."

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