But he wanted to win, not please you blokes. I agree at the end of the 3rd Lance back forward would have been a worthy gamble, but he had to do something durin that 3rd quarter, and i do not man just about Richo. We had no drive, I mean we could not clear the @#$%&! ball out of their forward line.

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Thats good Danny. What did Lance do in defence to prevent the onslaught in the second quarter?

We had 5 inside 50's in the second quarter because we had no one to kick too like we did in the first coming off half back. We reverted to the old par 3 game plan and kept turning the ball over.

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They run off Lance when hes in the forward line how many times was he on his own????

I dont think it would have mattered.

As a matter of fact if he plays in the forward line youll see opposition teams playing through his opponent.

Cliutching at straws.

where we really lost it is skills (not that theirs were much better) and run through the midfield....

Stupid decision making cost us heaps.

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What and they don't play through his opponent when he is in defense?

Hello does Trend Croad and Richo ring any bells?

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Lance went back with about 8 minutes to go (and on the way back got the kick on the wing which became Waite's goal) before then they had had about 15 inside 50's to our 5 or 6. As for maclaren, he went into the ruck because French was getting slaughtered.

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But he is forced to work harder in the backline...

In the forward line i thought he was doing quite abit of seagulling .. standing off packs and not following his man...

At least in defence he only does it sometimes.

And yes they will always look at exploiting Lances speed... sometimes it works and sometimes it works for Lance but thats not the kind of player we need right now.

We need a TALL CHF targetman (Not Lance and not Deluca).. and a CHB that can run and has some height.

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so are you saying if we had have left Lance in the forward lin we would have lost by more!!!!!!!!!


for @#$%&!'s sake Denis can't win can he.

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Lance wasnt the problem tonite he should have been in the forward line all game. I know you just lance bash at every oppertunity Synbad and maybe he wont be a round in X amount of years but tonite when he was forward he was our most dangerous forward he created oppertunities .. I agree that he was wrong down back but in the forward line he was still effective and took the pressure off Fev / And also off Waite.

Anyway LAnce wasnt the problem he was again used wrongly and it dosnt help when our mid field besides Simo and Murph where smashed in clearances and contesting... and well disposals .... Sigh

There is an alternative definition of seagulling, and I'm pretty sure Whitnall did not have the time to do that tonight.

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What will it take Synbad for you to give Lance even a smidgeon of credit, what does he have to do, will you ever admit that he might just be a decent footballer? You focus immediately on the negatives like 'standing off packs and not following his man'...is it not conceivable Synbad that had Lance stayed forward all night he would probably have taken marks, kicked goals and possibly influenced the result and maybe even have got us the win? No I think you'd still focus on how Lance 'seagulls' or nitpick on any other perceived negatives..

I can understand that you don't like Lance all I want is some credit where it's due when it is actually due!

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Denis job is to have us playing with a system and that we dont miss targets by hand or foot over 15 meters.

He cant do that... they look shot.. they look consfused and nothing really has changed no matter how long or short we kick the ball...

No he Denis can win... he can win 1 from a possible 5 games...about his average over 3 and a half years...

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BB2005... i didnt bash Lance tonight Richo bashed him!!!..

i just made observations.. i thought they were pretty obvious.. apparently not to some..

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Blues2005 its a lost cause with Synbad on Lance dosnt matter what he does he aint gonna get any credit ... I agree with you when he has been used correctly in all the games this season he has been among the best

Against the Hawks he was the only dangerous Forward .. but agreed was wrong to put Lance on croad ... wallace was prob wrapped when lance was put back allowed him to have a lot more freedoom in his backline and gave him better matchups on Fev and Waite.. Whits so far this season is not the problem and has been good.

Thornton didnt do a hell of a lot of good on Richo but seems like to some he cant do anything wrong lol but i agree lance should have stayed down the forward line at least him being there would put pressure on Wallet to get the right matchups rather than get the matchups he wanted.

Main problem was if Thronton was failing on Richo DP should have tried another option from either Saddo or Banno least would have been worth a try and kept Whits in the forward line where he was dangerous

Synbad, Lance plays off his man because he knows that he is slow and so he has to predict where the lead is going to come from and so get in front of his man. Some times this works and some times it doesn't. It isn't his fault. He was just born in the wrong era for his body. I think that he does quite well considering. If Lance was in the forward line then his opposition may run off him, but at least he won't be having pot-shots at goal.

On 3AW tonight they were asking if a forward kicks 5 goals and his opponent gets 30 possessions then who is the most damaging player. The answer of course is the forward who has kicked the 5 goals. You win games by kicking the higher score and that is why Lance should be played in the forward line.

I admit that he is not the ideal CHF and the best option going towards the future, but at the moment he is the best that we have... and he is creative and can bring others into the play.

just watching the first quarter and Thornton got really beaten by Richo wasnt quick enough alla argument used by some on Lance and no where near strong enough i guess lance was better there but again Lacne should have stayed foward and i say again Lance being forward forces Wallace to make changes and move players to cover all our forwards. When lance went back Wallace could put 3 talls Richo / Simonds / Stafford in the forward line and we had to cover Wallace .. win for wallace loss for DP

Simple fact was when we had Lance in the forward line You had lance taking out bowden freeing up Waite and Fev and headaches for Wallace

Remove Lance and and bowden takes on Waite and Fev is double teamed and forward line became much less effective

Hell, why didn't we try playing Walker on Richo? At least we could have exploited Richo on the rebound.

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The issue with Richo is and always has been his kicking. He is not a great kick and was less than 40% accurate again tonight. So, I think we should have taken the chance and left Thornton on him. I don't think he would have kicked a bag full on Thornton. He was missing some easy set shots. Basically, I think Pagan pannicked just a tad too early.

On the other hand, Lance was a headache for Wallace in the forward line. When we moved Lance, Wallace had one less thing to worry about and he would have been more than happy to see Lance down back.

I think it's almost as if Pagan said, "well, I'm prepared to gamble a little but at the first sign of trouble it's back in the bunker boys".

Agreed Clem Walker could have been tried my only worry would have been Richo being to strong he bruched throton out of the way repeatedly in the first quarter

Still think Banno should have been given a crack. Banno reasonbly strong is mobile enough and hey he been doing that in the Bullants late laste year and early this year winning BOG

Give him a chance to at least show if he could do something similar to what he was doin in the Ants ...

Frig even put Kouta on Richo would have been a possible match up

ahh well game dun and dusted just dissapointing and frustrating

That was a fantastic contest. Real courage. He probably strained his a/c (I did in a similar contest a few years back).

As for Lance, I reckon Denis did most of the right things. He started him forward and tried to be postive. When we couldn't get the ball past half way in the 2nd and Richo was dominating he switched him back.

Perhaps he should have switched him forward again in the last quarter but really I think with Fev, Waite and Fisher (these two need to learn to talk, how many times did they spoil each other contesting the same mark?) we should have enough fire power to kick a winning score against a depleted Tigers defence without Whitnall up forward. We just didn't take our chances.

The reality is we don't have anyone beside Lance who can play CHB convinvingly. I know some of you would rather play Lance forward anyway and conceed 5 goals straight away but really I don't know that that's much better.