Well, we're certainly not going to get the ball down to Lance if he's not there. The Richmond coaches were apparently praying that Pagan would play Lance on Richo so Richo could run him all over the park - which was what he did. This limits Lance's ability to create run and assist others which are usually his main tasks when he's back. Given that I'd hardly call it a proactive move. It just smacks of a we've-done-this-before-and-it-worked move. And as the commentators said, it really doesn't matter who you put on Richo - everything revolves around whether Richo comes to play or not.

And the problem wasn't just Richo - the problem was they were belting us at the stoppages. What did we do that was proactive in that area? Did we try to man up around the ground and put some pressure on the Tiges? We could have let Lance run down from CHF and play loose back for a while - afterall he's been doing that since 2001. Put him in at the centre bounces (not as the ruckman) - certainly couldn't do any worse.


I don't know - it just seemed like a tired old move - a robbing Peter to pay Terry type of thing.

so i have to give him credit for last night do i????

What for???

And yes, im the one that says you have to build a whole gameplan around Lance so he can play footy/ not to be exploited... and you have to hand pick his opponents.
Compare that to Richo.
Richo commands his position on the ground and in the game.

I think thats the kind of playeryou must give credit to.


Credit for what again???
One trick pony?

I just think we need to make the hard call on him.. and im crossing everything i have his currency goes up...

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We were 3 goals up and playing ok after kicking the previous 4 goals. That's our problem, too defensive a mindset. Hence they won the game. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Pagan failed us again.

we were not 3 goals up when Denis moved Lance - I'll ay it again (sorry BV) Lance was moved with about 8 minutes to go in the 2nd and we had it past our forward 50 5 or 6 times - Lance was doing nothing bit getting cold while our backline was under seige and pannicking - hence the turnovers. So Denis moved Lance back and we actually did better in the 3rd and 4th.

However yes I felt he should have done something about the midfield and yes maybe Lance could have been moved back at 3/4 time and yes i wish we had a decent strategy for kicking out

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Good point....Livo should have been used as plan B rather than taking Lance away from down forward..I think Denis is struggling with tactics and its a bit like playing chess and you need to be think a few moves ahead rather than one....Saddington's role needs to be defined as does Mclarens....we need more out of them..

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Which goes to show Elwood, that Pagan doesn't have much tactical nous at all. He sets a plan but if a good coach finds a way to out-think him, then he's GAWN. There's no tactical plan B.

I have been a Pagan supporter in the past but whilst some of his football methods might still be worthy of support - in being direct down the corridor (see the Doggies), his people skills and lack of tactical nous is costing us badly.

He's a terrible psychologist as well. He's conceded the game's lost before he's even started.

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Don't be silly that would be showing leadership!!!!

If Pagan had done the right thing and played Livo

He wouldnt have had to move Lance


No Livo - No Carlton

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I have been accepting & patient with Denis during his time at Carlton, but after last night, the tide's turning.

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Kouta on Richo - Richo would have kicked 15 - Kouta cannot keep up (remember that practise game at Princes Park... shudder...)

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Can't they try a few things.

Thornton is being bled dry down in defence. He gives 110% and i admire his determination. Fisher does so /so in attack... still learning etc.. can't they try Fisher in defence and Thorton half forward flank? I mean Maclure was a defender for most of his early career and eventually took the CHF position.

Surely we have got to try a few things a bit different... otherwise for F sake give Thornton the right match up. Thornton vs Richardson is not a good match up- he is giving away height, weight and experience. Stupid decision.

Where would you put Whitnall?

Should he play off the bench?... his endurance is a weakness. Off the bench it becomes less of an issue.