We are all looking at getting rid of DP and there are possible problems assoicated with paying him oit if the club sayd time to go Dennis.. Would cost us to much but again may have to happen if our current trend continues

what is obvious to me and has been for the past 3 years is our skills really can be pointed as a big factor of us wining and loosing games all last nites game showed me was that if either the tigers or the blues actuall had skills they would have killed the other team.

Current assistants we are Mitchell / Libba / Elshaug / TD / Dempsy

TD - is new seems to be a good mentoring person and only started this year have no issue with him and being part time is not a blame for the current situation

Dempsy - again happy with him seems to know his rucking and again part time and not responsible for what is happening on the field

Mitch - Doing well in the Bullants and think maybe needs to be put in as the Midfield coach if we dont get a replacement from outside... Maybe get Rats or someone else to get into the Bullants coaching position as a way of getting them back to club.

Elshaug - I fail to know what this guy does.. i dont think players like him ... i know i dont like him ... he has no media ability so that cant be why he is still there ... i believe he is meant to be responsible for our on filed skills well i can see any ... DP likes him well who cares if he dosnt do anything he is a waste of space.. he has to go and the board need to terminate his current contract now maybe this will put pressure on Pagan that he is under real pressure to turn this ship around... or allows us to get some real carlton blood back into the coaching panel or forces pagan to resign if that is what is needed. But Elshaug needs to go please someone tell me what he is doing at the club

Libba - Again tell me what he is doing here if its for tackling and thats it i reckon TD can do that and better. again i dont think players like him .. i dont think supporters like him and again what does he add to the carlton assistant coaching panel. again tell me if anyone knows.

If we premise that we chop 2 of these from our list and replace 2
Easy senario put Mitch permanately into the midfiled role - removes Libba straight away and minimises any problems with transition

Get Peter dean back to the club he was helping out last season give him a full time position i know he looked good and he can work on the backline. he also has a lot respect with Players and supporters and is not someone who will just do nothing

That leaves the Bullants coaching spot ... target another ex - blue or even a possible recently retired player who is coaching currently
Bring in Ratten is the easy one that comes to mind

What other prospects are there of someone who has shown something and is coaching in a minor league who could come in ideally ex blue woud be great but also other respected ex players would also be good options.
Great if people can get a list of people who could come in and be a assistant or take over the bullants if we moved Mitch into the assistants role fulltime.

Ideally this should have been done last year .. maybe even a year earlier but after this seasons start i am happy if they do this now or in ther very near future.

Elsaugh and Pagan come as a package - You cant get rid of one without getting rid of the other

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Well i suggested that Either Pagan start to really understand that we supporters are getting crapped off and hurting if he resigns cause Elshaug goes then maybe easier to settle his contract if Elshaug and libba go and we get in some new blood hopefully Ex - players or players who have respect and can actually give skills to our kids and players then that is a win also.

By making these changes it will bring the Coaching staff / senior players on notice it will make Pagan realise that we as a club / supporters .. should be board wont accpet these poor perfomances let down by weak skills.
Cut these 2 assistants will force change in some form and hopefully for the better. this is our draw the line in the sand ... no more mediocrity and puts 2 integral sections of the club under notice .. Coaching (pagan) - Senior Players.

We'll take Libba at the Doggies.

We will swap him for SOS

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I think the board wanted to get rid of most of the assistant coaches but Pagan talked them out of it.

I've said it before, whoever is the skills coach, sack him. He is not doing his job. Our skills have been shocking for 3-4 years now and its not improving. I reckon Stevens has gone backwards with his after his first year at the club.
Its not getting the ball for us, its how we use it and are we not kicking to our advantage when there is a one on one, its always over the top, the wrong side or at his toenails. Maybe 1 out 5 hits a player on the chest and thats being generous. Last night seeing it first hand, coming out of defence, a good kick and we going into the F50, but its always a shit kick, creates a contest, ball turnsovers and back into there F50 the ball goes.
Look, even handballs last night were soft taps and slow to hit the target, putting the guy on the receiving under pressure.

Where is Andrew Jarman, Greg Williams, surely a month skills contract would make a 200% difference.

100% agree Bossman been harping the lack of skills for ages and i can only think that the finger can be pointed at the 2 main assistants in Trout and Libba ... possibly Mitch but from what i gather he is doing more development of the kids in the bullants and comes into match contention and training but i believe the main culprits are Libba and trout. if someone can tell me otherwise then please and i will direct my finger at the appropriate person but not gonna blame TD or Demps as they has only come in this year and are part time.

This issue has been around for 3-4 years not just happened last nite and is the main reason we are loosing winnable games. sure 2-3 years ago we can say the kids are young need more time ect but what explain Lappins 3-4 turn overs / Waite dropping more marks than he takes ... still poor kicking for goal...not hitting targets ect it has to be fixed.. And how does that argument fit on Murphy who is 5 games old and can deliver the ball better than 90% of our list he is talented and best prospect we have had for years but surely the players who have been there for 5-6 seasons ... even the senior players can do the basics.. just think how Murphy will be in 5-6 years of game time .... as long as he is being taught by people who can provide him with the skills to improve.

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While this thread is well intentioned, that is, let's improve the skills, the contributors are 'barking up the wrong tree', with due respect.

Physical skills and mental attitude are inexorably linked. There is a patent lack of confidence in the team. There is a lack of self-belief. There is a lack of morale. That is the root cause of our poor skills and decision-making. This will NOT change by simply swapping assistant coaches.

You have clear evidence of this root cause in the fact that our established players have gone backwards in their skills this year. Stevens, Lappin, Houlihan are now making the same mistakes as the younger players.

This is not a skills thing ..... it is a mind state thing. Find the belief, find the passion, find the confidence and ...... the focus will return (on the track as well as on game day), ...... the concentration will return, ...... the decision-making will improve.

AND...... then the skills will improve!!

i would agree with this Blueheart if it as a form slump or maybe a problem for half a season but when our skills have been so odinary for so long now we need to question where the problem lies ... geez every second after match conference has been skills let us down we butchered the ball we didnt take our chances we turned the ball over ect ect

well if we do all these things someone surely has to take responsibilty and if the mesasage is not getting through the teaching of the basics skills is not being practised or the confiedence is lacking then those people are responsible .... if it is some of our assistant coaches or DP then they take responsibility they are the ones teaching these players and kid. So my first port of call is the Assistant coaches if they are failing here get rid of them and put people in who the players resepct will learn from will put to prcatice what they have been taught .. are given the confidence on the field.

Blueheart, do you think we had it against Melbourne? Geelong NAB?

and it has gone downhill from there?

I know there is a skills problem; hand and foot. But maybe there has been a mindset change since the Swans game. There does seem to be uncertainty out there at times. The only explanation other than age and skills is the flooding game which puts players in positions where there is no one to kick to. That would also contribute to a loss of confidence.

Contrary to that, I thought Walker, Murphy, Houlihan, and Simpson were playing to win where and this week's inclusions Waite and Fevola nearly did, and Lance up forward could have.

Too many skill errors!!

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Get rid of them!

Can't see it happening because DP cannot function without TE! Who else is going to 'free up' time for DP??

We'll be happy to toss the dwarf your way, free of charge.

Make Libba the head coach and sack Denis.

Interesting on SEN this morning. Tiffany Cherry, in her role as panelist on the early program for the day, replacing Daniel Harford, reported that we will suddenly be debt free in 2 months or so. Seems there is some benefactors who were waiting for Collo to leave going by the tone of the report. Maybe we can afford to sack them all! Dunno if it's right or not, just reporting what I heard. Interesting to see (1) if it's true amd (2) what comes of it.

Thanks jim.

There has been rumour mentioned on TC of a/some benefactor on the sidelines; the white knight(s) we've been waiting for. This would be just the tonic this proud club needs, just at the right time as we watch the Baby Blues show great progress for their age.

Could be

A: the AFL distributing exactly $7M to each club. Doubt that though.

B: Hopefully it's a combination of:

AFL takes over $1.5 M cost to run MC Labour Park
AFL distribution to all clubs of around $3-4M
Major Sponsor worth $500 pa over 3 years
Each of two benefactors committing $1M
Good crowds at our home games (bcause we continue to be super competitive)
Merchandising demand increases
$300 Raffle sold out

B still doesn't amount to $7M though.

I look forward to the good news in 2 months.

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We took our $4 mil distribution from the AFL early, so it's not that.

It couldn't be further from the truth! We got over the line against Melbourne with sheer determination, and doing the 1%'s. It was so inspiring to watch, albeit, riddled skill errors. Hasn't been remotely similar since.

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