Thomas isn't just a good player... he's a good COLLINGWOOD player

ie, easy to hate

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We only hear about Thomas all the time because he wears a Collingwood jumper. He does not have the skills that Murphy has, Thomas is being pumped up by the Maguire puppets. Do you think we would be hearing this much about him if he didn't wear the black and white? I think NOT....

Murphy is shining in a team that is really struggling, his vision is sensational for a KID his age. Thomas is always on his own a bit like a complete receiver. However every little stat that Thomas gets takes up a page in the Hun. I am not saying that Thomas is not good, however IMO he is being over rated.

Kennedy is all class, I watched a lot of his games on ABC2. This kid is fantastic at using his body in contested marking situations. One thing we must remember about Kennedy also is that he had a very limited pre season, so to judge him this year would be completely wrong.

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I see:

Murphy and Kennedy = All class and undoubted guns.

Thomas = Over rated.

Makes sense.

I don't think ubettsya is saying Thomas is over-rated, but rather commenting that the hype about Thomas is larger given Collingwood's charmed position in the media... if true (and I'm not saying I agree with it personally), its not that Thomas is not a great player, but rather, the relative media about him and Murphy is not a good reflection on how well they are BOTH going.

The issue in in ubettsya's post is not that Thomas is talked too high but too much. Volume of praise, not quality of it.

Again people... you really have to READ the posts before responding. I cant' stress this enough... unless you just have low intelligence (and, for all of ADP's lesser qualities, I don't think being a moron is one of them), you should really be at least READING the posts before responding.

Or else all we have is a spiral of unintelligence that drives people away.

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Are you positioning yourself for a moderator gig!

Wise words young man.

I think both kids are terrific, but I'm glad we have Murphy as he is what we need.

It's not always the "best" or "most skilled" player that gets the captaincy so I don't see the relevance of this point.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Well after reading 3 pages of this rubbish thank christ someone's finally talking some sense here

As for the whole Murphy/Thomas thing - Murphy was well & truly past it & even Sheedy knew it was an uphill battle to get anything more than a few decent games out of him.

Thomas? If the Saints don't make the GF this year - GAAAWN.

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Just looking at another aspect of the two players. As I wrote in the rest of the post, both players are extremely gifted, and both clubs would be very happy with their respective players, but at this very early stage, Murphy looks more of a player the club could build itself around.

As I say though, it's very early in their careers, and not a criticism of Thomas.

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I'm just a frustrated poster. I don't have a problem with dissent or disagreement.... What frustrates me is objection to things that the objector didn't even make an effort to understand. Or, if you're not sure what the person meant, don't go half-cocked and assume something because you don't want to appear to be silly.

Its not a competition for ideas. I post a lot and have ideas about everything because I'm bored and sexually frustrated. But Im not trying to compete with people.

The reality is, that we have a footy team in CRISIS. This SHOULD be a time for informed debate about change, about solutions and about activism among fans. But there isn't a lot of intellectual debate on this main forum because few posters are willing to lift their game to an intellectual level.

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Thomas might undeservingly win the 2006 Rising Star award because he plays for a higher profile club. Stranger thigs have happened, like umpires colluding and the wining team only getting 2 points.

Happens all the time in Rugby League

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"I am not saying that Thomas is not good, however IMO he is being over rated."

...he certainly knows how to disguise it well then...

Nah, I know what you mean, Tyrant.

yes... I know you do you big lug.....

I just hate Thomas now because he's a Collingwood player, and good. Think about it... how many of you (Carlton fans) hate Jason Cloke?? You can't hate Jason Cloke because he's no threat to anyone!

But Thomas......

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My uneducated opinion before the draft was that Thomas would go top 10, and would be a good pick up for any side. I wasn't completely surprised to see him go number 2.

Now having seen him play, he has certainly picked up the pace of AFL very quickly...probably better than Goddard and Cooney did at the same stage of career.

I'd be interested to see how he develops with a bit of bulk.

Some times he reminds me of our Lappin, who can find space and also has a great leap.

Too difficult to compare him with Murphy, as they are very different players. We were always going to pick Murphy and obviously Thomas was someone the Pies really wanted.

Well they certainly are the "w(h)ining" team over here!

Murphy is one month younger

They are both great players. Thomas is the new 'player to hate' I think, with that bogan collingwood head of his, who else but Collingwood supporters can like him?

Luck to Thomas....He's still a kid so it doesn't run deep with me yet however there just has to be a player in the black and white that shits us all to tears...it is part of our history. I have a Collingwood mate and he just giggles with pure delight when I criticise Thomas for having a Collingwood head....they love to be hated when they are playing well.

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