As I said above you don't need to be talented to put a zone in place to defend a kickout. We had no zone

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When we're playing with so many behind the ball it means we're usually light on for numbers when the ball is brought back into play quickly. Last season the players had a few seconds to get into our forward line before the kick-in. With the new rule we don't have time to do so, and once the opposition gets the free man and overlap running it's hard to shut down.

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No zone at all?

Really?

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They just kicked off to a loose man who had absolutely no one near them.

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Lets not nit pick Jar.
Effes meant "effective zone"
There is a difference between a zone and an "effective zone"
Similar to the difference between a coach and an "effective coach"
BTW, what happened to your answer to Effes about Norman and Angwin?

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Pagan arrived before the 2002 trade week. In the 2002 draft we picked up Norman @ 79 while also picking up Angwin in the rookie draft, all while Pagan had been at the club for ~2 months

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Thats right and Pagan had absolutely nothing to do with drafting them. He is on record as saying he had nothing to do with the drafting and trades that year.

Yet SB claimed they were Pagans fault.

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I will bet he will take credit for Fisher and Simpson

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Maybe for their 'development'.

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............. still waiting for someone to point to some Pagan successes.........

I'll get you started:

- Walker
- Bentick
- Carrazzo
- Betts
- Fevola
- Waite

(all doing particularly well as consistent first team players)

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I will give you that but both have questionable disposal by foot.

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Penchant for non-sourcing and pretending to be an expert? Pah-lease T4D.

BV, welcome to Piss and Wind Land, enjoy your stay with the rest of us who have to sound like broken records to make a point.

A common theme here is tactical ineptitude at kick outs and the coaches role in improving decision making. You need to balance this with the defensive capabilities of our midfield and our defense.

Maybe we flood back because they're not exactly top notch at the moment? Maybe that's why it gets so difficult when we get the ball and that's why it seems to break down a bit at HF as the game goes on? How dare I use logic.

As for the kickouts, it seems to be a case of the kicker backing their kicking skills less and less as the game goes on and not bothering to spot the real free options outside the 50. On the defensive side we usually do quite well in the games I've seen this season, save for last week.

Another common theme is how we're not developing players as we should be, how we may have hampered and destroyed players.

I want a list, a list of deemed successes and deemed failures. Make it, prove it, and I might shutup about my feelings about you being wrong.

That's over 15% of the list just there.

Then there are the players you cannot count on the development list, veterans like Whitnall, Lappin, Kouta etc. and the first year players we know nothing about and some 2nd year players that have not quite come through yet. Does not leave a lot of the list left.

Probably means of the develop-able players (those who we can say he has had an influence on their development) on the list Pagan has done a good job.

Out of interest for anyone who may know how much influence does Pagan have with how the Bullants go about their business?

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Not a bad reminder there woof, and one I agree with. There are a lot of reasons why players don't cut it... and the lions share of the responsibility is in the hands of the player either not being any good or not applying himself.... but coaching certainly plays a role.

My question is not "why aren't Sporn and Wiggins good players... it must be Pagan's fault", its "what long-term plans have been in place for them?" I don't believe they've had them. I cannot comprehend why Davies was played as a forward pocket last year and then written off never to be seen, in a team that was SO crap and had SUCH a bad midfield. Ok... maybe it is that Denis decided Davies wasn't any good. Fair enough... thats his perogative... BUT IF THATS THE CASE, WHY WASN'T HE DELISTED???? and if he had another year on his contract, thats another massive error on our part. Just shocking stuff[/quote]

Fair point but it also becomes a question about whether we are better off keeping Davies on the list for one more year rather than drafting a kid a in a SHALLOW draft who you are stuck with for two years with as much or less chance than Davies making an impact.Davies and co are under the blow torch this year because the line ball decisions on whether they stay or not won't go their way because of the supposed depth and quality of the draft.

thankfully from a time management point of view, jimmae, you are too insignificant to produce such a list for your whim. That last post pretty clearly demonstrated that you've hit a ceiling of debate that has cut you out from, at least mine anyway, my list of people with opposing views worth engaging.

Broken record to make a point...... mate, if you ever had a point that was your own you wouldn't know what to do with it.

Tyrant out

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I think it can be argued that Pagan helped develop De Luca to his full potential as well, and that potential has been well and truly reached.

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See my response.

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I can't see one

I've been missing a few responses, actually, that have been appearing in quotes...

mods?

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BV and I have been deleting posts we have made, but they must hang around for a while, long enough to get quoted.

I deleted mine to check some facts.

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