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Otherwise, and this is more in general, do we definitely know that Michael Voss even wants to coach? Brett Ratten too? Neither of these guys can just waltz in and become senior coach without gaining experience as assistant coaches. Where is Ratten coaching nowadays, and why did Melbourne get rid of him?


Would target Voss for assistant manger role for next year I think I remember him saying he was interested in coaching at some stage he also said he would have loved to have played in Melbourne at some stage of his career because it was the mecca of football. As for Ratten he wasn't sacked he left and from all reports Melbourne wanted him to stay and looking how well Melbourne's midfield did last year he must have done a bloody good job.


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I would like to see a modern day player who has played under a legendary coach. It seems the best coaches are former players that have had great mentors. They have been exposed to the fundaments of coaching and can relate that to a modern game.

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I'm securely in the Pagan camp but for the sake of discussion if we did replace him I would want a proven coach with premiership credentials ... Malcolm Blight.


Yeah, Blight was great at St Kilda.

Reckon Voss is probably the right type of person. Not sure if he would be ready yet. He followed Blues as a kid.


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Guus Hiddink.

Inspired after highly entertaining read of his career in last weekend's Age. Just need to find a $10m pa sponsor to fork out his salary.


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If we are going to look outside of football, then I think Sir Alex Ferguson has all the attribute a FOOTY MONGREL needs.

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Nice idea in theory AGRO but I think there is the potential for Coach/Director of Football conflict here.



The role of Director of Football would be created first and he would be the supremo, he would hire the match day staff, it would be clear that they would answer to him.

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How about we see if we can hire Bob and Jillian from The Biggest Loser. They're both probably at a loose end, now that the show has finished it's run, plus we'd get all sorts of hippy-speak from Bob, and Jillian's pretty hot, so if things are really bad, she could flash her tits, and everyone would get distracted.

And think of the cross-promotional possibilities with Channel 10.

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AGRO wrote:
Blues2005 wrote:
Nice idea in theory AGRO but I think there is the potential for Coach/Director of Football conflict here.



The role of Director of Football would be created first and he would be the supremo, he would hire the match day staff, it would be clear that they would answer to him.


I think I know where you are coming from with this suggestion but correct me if i am wrong.

The person in charge would be along the lines of a Don Talbot head swim coach - calls all the shots usually determines selections based on certain standards and leaves the finer aspects and conditioning to the individual coaches.

Or along the lines of head cricket coach Buchanon (spelling) who is more a mentor to the players than an actual coach -works on training programs and assist while the game is on but in that case the major play decisions are made by the captain ( I know thas not possible these days withAFL)

Teams in the NFL have set ups like this and have been doing it for a while now and most of the rugby union coaches are note know as being great players of the game more as get managers of teams


I think you are right in what you say that we have to look beyond the footballing circles

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I see Lee Mathews as similar to Pagan...old school..dont want to see the coach shoving and shaking Marc Murphy, Kade Simpson etc at the huddle...think the game has moved on from there and we need a modern age thinker...younger people of today are different and dont respond to the physical threatening type of coach anymore, they are better educated, more thoughtful and need someone in tune with todays world... in that respect I think Sheedy would be better than Pagan, Matthews, Malthouse etc.....

Even a hard nut like Worsfold coaches differently than how he played....Roos, Thompson, Neil Craig etc.....more thinkers than loud in your face coaches..its a new era of coaches and we need to embrace that rather than going back to the past...

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Sydney Blue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Blues2005 wrote:
Nice idea in theory AGRO but I think there is the potential for Coach/Director of Football conflict here.



The role of Director of Football would be created first and he would be the supremo, he would hire the match day staff, it would be clear that they would answer to him.


I think I know where you are coming from with this suggestion but correct me if i am wrong.

The person in charge would be along the lines of a Don Talbot head swim coach - calls all the shots usually determines selections based on certain standards and leaves the finer aspects and conditioning to the individual coaches.

Or along the lines of head cricket coach Buchanon (spelling) who is more a mentor to the players than an actual coach -works on training programs and assist while the game is on but in that case the major play decisions are made by the captain ( I know thas not possible these days withAFL)

Teams in the NFL have set ups like this and have been doing it for a while now and most of the rugby union coaches are note know as being great players of the game more as get managers of teams


I think you are right in what you say that we have to look beyond the footballing circles



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Headjob: Mitchell/Rehn/Jonas.... Interview anyone interested and appoint the best
Assistants: Voss (midfield), Silvagni (backs), Paul Hudson (forwards)

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I like the idea of Gary O'Donnell. He has had a few years stint at Brisbane (4 or 5, I believe), and is in his 2nd year at the Scum.

He is raw, young, professional and has a good spread of knowledge from 2 great mentors. A perfect face for the Carlton Football Club and a coach in the making.

He is just about cherry ripe.

Snaring Matthews and Voss - I like that, too.

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yeah, I'd definitely give O'Donnell an interview... he'd be a good get on paper.

The thing with him is that maybe he's been explicitly groomed for the Essendon* job... maybe thats why Harvey moved to Freo last year? Because he'd dropped in the pecking order???

If so, wooing O'Donnell across (if he's deemed the best candidate) and wrecking Essendon*'s succession plan would be nice.

The thing is, I don't reckon there are any CLEAR standout options in the market.. which is not to say there aren't any good options, but rather, that there are quite a few for us to choose from who are at about the same level. We could get a shortlist of 5-6 all very well credentialled potential coaches. I wouldn't appoint anyone unless there was a proper recruitment process in place... similar to the Hawthorn one.

the assistant team will obviously be informed by the decisions of the new senior coach, but I reckon we can start planning for the future there

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I think by the time Pagan's contact expires (he has two seasons left after this one does he not?) we will have a more balanced, skillful and experienced side, and will probably be starting to produce the sort of results that make it difficult to sack him. But that's not really what this thread is about.

If I could have anyone right now, I'd probably be looking for a recent ex-player (last 5-7years or so), who has experience as a coach at some level, and who has recent training in the lastest sports management techniques (AIS type stuff, the sort of things Craig is doing with the crows midfield). Who that adds up to, I have no idea.

I'm not sure that Matthews or Sheedy or someone of that ilk are the solution. We want the next Matthews, not the current one.


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Best replacement would be DAVID RHYS JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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kingkerna wrote:
Forget Silvagni, we don't have enough paper bags for him - he would probably become coach and leave halfway through his contract just like his efforts on the board.
Like the idea of grooming Ratten though



That is such a load of crap,he gave his all to our club and i would love him to coach.Grow up and get over it.


By the way he never got his money neither did bradly.

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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
I see Lee Mathews as similar to Pagan...old school..dont want to see the coach shoving and shaking Marc Murphy, Kade Simpson etc at the huddle...think the game has moved on from there and we need a modern age thinker...younger people of today are different and dont respond to the physical threatening type of coach anymore, they are better educated, more thoughtful and need someone in tune with todays world... in that respect I think Sheedy would be better than Pagan, Matthews, Malthouse etc.....

Even a hard nut like Worsfold coaches differently than how he played....Roos, Thompson, Neil Craig etc.....more thinkers than loud in your face coaches..its a new era of coaches and we need to embrace that rather than going back to the past...


I agree.

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i would like a cross between craig, eade and worsfold

Craig: he is fitness and sports science mad would be great for us
Eade: great with a list and getting the most out of players, i think tactically he thinks outside the square
Worsfold: hes been at carlton before and knows how much the club means to so many people,


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 Post subject: If not Pagan, then who?
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what about Ken Sheldon?


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I think there was another thread about this last week

No offence anfield, but every time we have a staggering loss (or indeed a great win), people overcrowd the forums by starting new threads about stuff which is already being covered.

Not having a dig at you though dude - if I was I'd tell you you'd look good in the socks Coll wore yesterday.

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