Remember the game against Adelaide at footy park last year? That's how we've played this year, exactly the same style

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

I take it during the presser, Denis said the defensive flooding game plan seems to be shot to pieces. WE need skills and better fitness levels to carry that off for a whole match; and if we could do that, we'd be in the game.

Jesus H Christ. If we could play defensive footy for four quarters we'd be in the game. What sort of thinking is that. The game has passed Pagan by. We should be playing fast offensive footy and giving kids games and licence to run.

He's a joke if he can't recognise that his plans don't fit the list.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

He is passed it but nobody wants to do anything about it...we will continue to sit and type away and complain, whinge and let our great proud club die at the hands of all these incompetent people running our club...or maybe its time to take matters into our hands..but nah...I guess we all talkers and nobody here has the guts to stand and make a club great again......that is the disapointing thing about all this...our club is dying!!!!!

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#sayerscouldbetheman!!

azzablue, what do you suggest we should do? I have already pledged my support to a petition being arranged at CSC for Pagan's removal. Beyond that there isn't much else. The average supporter cant get a proper say om air without incompetent, dumb media clowns dismissing Pagan's responsibility week after week. Beyond that we can get down to PP and vent our spleen. I personally dont have time for that.

I am in the middle of compiling an email to the club and I am not holding back in my opinions.

If we are to put pressure on the club as supporters then we need to do it as a whole. And going by the majority consensus on the two main Carlton forums there seems to be overwhelming solidarity in the criticism of Denis and the desire that he be removed as coach. We need to somehow communicate this to the club. I am disheartened and angry enough to do something about it. I am seriously sick in the guts by what state the club I love is in

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C'mon Blueboys!

My opinion is we are just masking our problems by the style of play, ala Hawthorn last year, honourable losses. Pagan knows damn well that he doesn't have the cattle to play a shoot out, and has turned inwards for self-presevation and saving face to help Marketing and protect the kids from a weekly thumping. The problem is a good side who run and carry with forward line can smash through this defence (e.g yesterday). Watching Simpson tag in defence was almost too much for me. The answer is there is no short term fix, draft early and draft lucky and rule a line through a few that will not be there next year. Sacking Pagan now is not the answer, for mine. Pagan has lost faith in the players, they in him and importantly he has lost faith in the good old kick long to Carey game plan. I don't think it's a we don't like Pagan's dictator style thing, I think it's just we have lost so many games as a group a change is needed. Just financially and marketing wise its not now.

Marciblue emailing the Club is lazy and ineffectual.

Its very easy to fire off an email, but what would it do? It would go to Carlton Commuinications who have a quick look at it, write a 'we;re trying as hard as we can' response and file it under 'rabid emails received', of which they receive a few hundred after a normal loss and probably 5-600 hundred after a debacle like this weekend.

If you feel passionately about the Club and its current status hunt down a Director or someone in charge and put it to them. make it consise ie quick to read and constructive. Only when Directors are approached will the wrath of the fans be accepted.

M

More nonsense.
If someone is available to draft, you draft them.
Training with you is irrelevant.
If you want to continually refute posts, be bloody factual!!!!
You are continually leading posters astray with ill informed guesswork.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Even when it comes from someone who tries to sound like they know what thy are talking about, it's still bullshit.

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

17 disposals, two goals v the Crows....I think Pearce is going more than alright and seems to have cemented a spot in the Port team......I guess he along with Davey, Lovett and Sam Mitchell are a few players who the majority of recruiters got wrong.....
Be interesting to see what the club do with Tomi Johnston.......Pearce was considered a small fragile player as was Davey and it turned recruiters away....

Lot of decent players who cost nothing..Mattner, Rutten, Hentschel were all freebies.....compare that to Longmuir, Chambers and Saddington....we just cant seem to fluke those quality players for free...

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"When you have the attitude of a champion, you see adversity as your
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- Conor Gillen

I agree the game does seem to have passed DP by. Smorgon said some interesting things when he had his press tete a tete after becoming prez, he indicated the board had told Pagan to implement youth policy (without really expanding on what he meant) and that Pagan had been told to give more authority to assistants. If the board is directing the coach what to do, then they really should be replacing him. And it indicates DPs inflexibility that he spent 3 years on the bomb it long to Carey (oops he doesn't play for this team) and now reverts to the super flood million short passes and maybe get it over the centre to the one forward we have there.

I think Wayne Brittain is about the unluckiest man in footy now. I can't believe we would have done as bad under him. I always thought we should have honoured his contract and then made a decision with both Wallace and Eade (guys who are innovative and forward thinking) available.

But the situation is that we can't afford to get rid of Pagan. How can we pay him out. I thought Collo was good for the club, but we hear all about outrageous long term deals for players, and then he goes and gives Pagan 3 more years when he has barely finished the second year of his contract. Hopefully our playing list will have imporved a lot by end 08 and the players at least will have the Pagan uncompromising approach instilled, and an innovator can come in and take us places, but hold on for more pain.

I agree about Brittain, Gerry, being unlucky, but he wouldn't have done any better, and I think his development record was worse, so players like Waite, Walker, etc would still be playing in the Bullants.

And Wallace? You kidding? He would have devastated the club like the Vandals going through Rome. We would have had a barely decent half-season somewhere, and then nothing, and a complete screwing of our player list.

Eade I could have coped with. Even if it's only for 3 or 4 years.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

That sounds pretty much like 2003-2006.

Get real.

You can't seriously think the list is as damaged now as it was in 03? If you do, then there's no hope for you at all.

Wallace would have waltzed in, won some media praise but little else, and ended up walking out after having gutted the list totally and left us years behind we were even in 03.

Did no-one learn from his Bulldogs exploits?

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

The club respond to email!??!! Geez, that would be nice.

molsey, I would love to be able to do those things, but between working full time, studying part time and raising a family I dont have time to track down directors to chew their ear! That is the best I can do with the time, resources and lack of inside reach that I have.

Unless you can provide a direct email to one of them. PM me if you do

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C'mon Blueboys!

Well the "barely decent half season" sounds like 2004, and the "nothing" sounds like 2003, 2005 and so far 2006. The jury is still out as to exactly what shape our list is in.

OK, I'll give you that.

Just.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Kouta, I'll agree with everything you say because I love that avatar, any chance of giving us all a bit more of it, more interesting than anything happening on the field at the moment.

Your wish....

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

...Is my command

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

Or even better, how's this:

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.