Saddington I think should be dropped. He pulled out of a contest in the first quarter which was disgraceful. Ok, he may be out of form but if he had any passion for the club or game, then I would expect that he would have taken the hit & affected the spoil. Really disappointing effort & should spend a few weeks in the ants as a result.

I think Fisher needs to spend some time in the bullants for the reasons that people are saying for AB - out of form, needs to find the ball.

Waite was so frustrating!!! He looks like he is trying to be a hero & take the speccie rather than do the simple things. I may be wrong but that is how it looks to me. He definitely does not keep it simple!!

Let's be honest, we had to expect this result. I could see it coming a mile off. Collingwood, as much as I hate to say it are a really good side who will play finals (I reckon they are a top 4 team) & who are in red hot form. We have been competitive but haven't really played any teams who are in this type of form. It was a freezing cold day (my toes are still thawing out), extremely difficult conditions with wind & rain. Let's not get too freaked out about it. Before today we have all expressed our excitement at our young players development. Let's not forget this.

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its not our young players that are the problem, It's the "leaders" and the senior players that are the problem

I would rather see Bower running around than Saddington for sure
I would rather see Blackwell running around than Kouta for sure
I would rather see Russell running around than Scotland for sure

At least the kids bust a gut

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Theyre not playing for the coach...

Anything else is rearranging the deckchairs of the Titanic.

Its obvious...

Get rid of the coach and youll start to move forwards.

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

1000 Legends in for $1000 - PAGAN OUT!!!

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You have to reward performance...

In: Prendergast, Blackwell, Russell, Bryan
Out: Saddington, Bentick, Betts, McLaren

Dude have you got a problem with thornton,you know him or something,how could he be dropped, he was one of our best.

I tell you one thing.....................

The 15 other coaches out there would KILL / MURDER / SELL THEIR $%*&ING SOUL TO SATAN just to have a forward line consisting of Fevola / Waite & Whitnall.

Could you imagine, just for one second, how well those three would go at any other team?

Tell you another thing. Kouta is not finished. In fact, whack him in the midfield at St Kilda and they'll soon find themselves with a flag!

Tell you yet another thing. Walker under a coach such as Worsfold would be nothing sort of leathal and a scary tough to every other team.

Tell you another thing. The likes of Sydeny, Richmond, Hawthorn & the Bulldogs would be hard to beat with Whitnall in their side.

Tell you another thing..............i'm a MASSIVE believer that our list is not as shit as some people make it out to be!

Players will be and in certain instances MUST be criticised - HOWEVER, just for a moment, wonder, ponder, think to yourself WHY they are playing like this.

Why are flooding when we are 10 goals down.........................
Collingwood didn't flood once yesterday - NOT ONCE - Therefore showing good signs that they had a plan of attack set out and THE PLAYERS KNEW what to do!

How many of our goals came from direct shots?.......................
Not alot. Which is why players like Kennedy will be wasted, because they have no delivery!

Why is it that we just bomb and hope?...................................
Get the footy, bomb it up and hope for the best - hell it's worked for us so far! I mean, just look at the past results. You know the old saying, if it aint broke..........................

The reason we have such poor dispossals IS NOT because of a Z grade list or crap players. It's because the players don't know what to do with it.
I so often see players CRYING OUT to send the ball forward, only to look up and see their team-mates with their backs facing them cause they are running back to an empty forward line.
Players hesistate because they don't have a plan of attack - hence it forces a turn-over.

And week after week after week the players cop it HARD from media, supporters and the general football public - which does wonders for their confidence.

The players, under the current coaching format, do not want to play! They are crying out for some direction. They are screaming out for some belief.

It is time to start demanding the coaching staff to take responsibility. I'm not taking this anymore .

in closing.............................

THERE IS NO GAME-PLAN!

and that is NOT, under any circumstances, a fault of the players!

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Good post Ryan, I like it. Agree with all except the bit "players...do not want to play".

What you seem to point out is that there are some match winners on the list that would be stars if playing under a different coach's game plan. That's credible. I don't know if it's true though.But it's probable IMO.

I think the players do want to play in a winning team, and try hard, but they haven't got a game plan that helps them develop anything except their defensive effort to flood. The good thing about that is that they are pretty good at it, and at times in any game a necessary tool of the trade. The bad thing is that it seems it's the only craft they have at their disposal ATM.

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Sitting at the game, looking up and seeing 4 players in Collingwood's half at times in the first quarter says to me that you're wrong.

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Comparing that to our floods when all our players are in the one half of the ground says i'm right!

You do not win games by 10+ goals by flooding! End of story.

But either way - regardless of my comment - COLLINGWOOD had a plan. Did Carlton do anything on the field yesterday that even resembled or gave the slightest impressionn that we had any game-plan what-so-ever?

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In: Prendergast, Livingston, Blackwell, Russell
Out: Kennedy, Saddington, Bentick, Bannister

Russell played in the two's over the weekend. Racked up 25+ possesions!

Not saying i'd be bringing him back in, just saying that he can't be in the :-Out section because he wasn't in.

Livo didn't play on the weekend. i think he was injured.

Blackwell is close, but still a bit light.

Kennedy (and to be honest i wasn't impressed with him last year and was dissapointed when we picked him - but that's another stroy) was not blame for yesterdays game. he had no delivery (apart from that one mark he should have taken)

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A 16 man flood is still a flood, unless of course you're adjusting the definition to suit your argument.




After half time Collingwood didn't need to flood because our turnovers were handing their backmen the ball on a platter. I mentioned this in another thread. All teams utilise some sort of flood, the good ones do it to stop an opposition run-on. The bad ones (ie Carlton) do it for much of the game to try to stifle the opposition.




If the definition of "game-plan" is when coach tells the players a certain way to play, then of course we have a game plan. If you take a look there are countless threads and posts on here discounting our game-plan as being crap, so of course we have one. It might not be a good one, but we do have one.
/pedantic

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That is the most unrealistic shite I have heard on this website!

Get a grip. We have not got the capacity to drop the WHOLE midfiels in a week, let alone a month. Pagan does need to play kids like Kennedy every week and stop playing Wiggins and Co, however Stevens, Hoops and Skinny are not completely to blame for the loss.

I agree with Lance when he said that the playing group has lost self belief. They drop their heads so easily at the moment. I reckon the lack of confidence has a lot to do with the margin

So to stop the margin increasing you would ........... work on the self confidence/belief and that would come from the .........

go on you can say it .................. it come from the ................

go on you know you can do it ...........it comes for the .................

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It was quite obvious after Collingwood kicked those quick 2-3 goals at the start of the 3rd that the team collectively dropped their bundle and from then on meekly capitulated.

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Sorry I meant:
In- Russell
Out- Bannister

As for Kennedy. He got the ball three times and kicked straight to the opposition three times. We dropped O'hAilpin for doing the same thing.

Kennedy needs to ply every game this season!
Why not give Russell more of a go?
Bentick needs to play more as well.

Saddington is ready to be turned into glue

Livingston has proved he is not AFL standard.
Prendergast tries hard and is worth battling with.
Blackwell? cant tell you havent seen much
Bannister did FA yesterday

my line up:

FF Betts Fevola Davies
HF Fisher Waite Kennedy
C Houlihan Stevens Scotland
HB Lappin Whitnall Walker
FB Pren'gast Thornton Sporn

Foll: French, Kouta, Murphy

Int: Mclaren, Russell, Mcgrath, Bentick

Our list is shit - it's a fact. We had to pick up ex average players from other clubs, late draft picks and hold onto players that don't really deserve a spot on any list - wake up, man!!

Collingwood DID flood yesterday - the commentators made point of it several times. Fact is, our skills aren't good enough to pin point a pass through the traffic. Our players don't know how to craete space or to work for eachother, their only thought is how they can get it and dish off asap.

We had many opportunities in the first half to kick several goals from set shots - easy shots. We missed them all. No problem with the game plan, just shit skills.

Give up on sacking the coach - he'll be there at least until the end of the year.

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