Good post. Couldn't agree more. Wouldn't mind beer either.

Membership is already down 20% and that's because of our onfield lack of perfomance, passion and real committment over the last few years. At times it's been a real embarrassment. Much of that can be attributted to Pagan. Members will only put up with so much for so long and won't continue to big $$$ to follow a cause that is not giving them value for money. Like it or not, that's human nature. If we get another couple of years like the last few we will be gone! The only way to go forward, when it's all said and done, is to win games. Just don't se that happening under our current coach as I don't believe he has the respect of the players. It's one big reason I don't mind the idea of a petition. Don't care if we look like another Richmond or not, we already look a rabble anyway in the eyes of others, just want something to happen.

I remember sitting at Optus Oval for the Port v Carlton game - or horror movie for want of a better term - and some guy said in the third quarter 'Unless he plays the kids all year from here, this'll lose us 5000 members'. Pretty good pick, really. Being deflated so early on in the season can't have helped.

2nd half last week was the same as the Port game. I've never been so deflated as these two cases.

Pagan told all that it wouldn't happen again, he thought the players had progressed beyond those insipid performances.

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I came up with 11 out of 24.....we're talking about Carlton right?

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