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Well it is a greek word, probably born from alexander the pusti days!

As great as this news is, there are many underlying issues that need addressing besides the debt.

- The board needs imrpovement BIG TIME! What are the contigencies if the condition is that most vacate? Greg Lee was recently voted by the members. Does Pratt's money override our constitutional right there?

- Football dep't needs change too. Do we add a $1M payout debt to what we already have? Is this covered by the donation?

- Once we have eliminated the debt, can we improve revebue generation at the club? What do we do with on-going maintenance costs of the ground muted at $1.5-2M a year?

- Besides the short-term excitement generated by something like this, what will the fallout be from members and supporters if the team doesn't show improvement or comeptitiveness this year, next year, etc.?

I reckon this is great for the club (if true) but Carlton has to improve from top to toe. A lot of work ahead



Pratts money isnt clashing with the constitution.
If the rumours are true he will make an offer to the board and they will have to make a decision.

I think Pratt is astute enough to build a few pillars (also Greek inventions :wink: ) to keep the club viable beyond the immediate future.
I already know BM is setting something big for the clubs future up...

Theyre huge initiatives for the clubs future..in my opinion...(if they all come off)
BMs is a definite..

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I haven't read the entire thread so forgive me if this has already been mentioned but could this be a malicious rumour from the opposition being spread to stop people buying memberships ie. Pratt will bail out the club so now I don't have to buy a membership !!!


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IMO their is nothing better than change to inspire the masses to climb back on board and buy memberships in 2007. Renewed hope and direction, no more talk of debt just positive developments.

If Pratt was to donate more money for paying out Pagan, then again IMO i don't believe we should rush into appointing a new coach straight away, lets use Mitchell as a caretaker and see what he has to offer.

I think the next few weeks will see the demand for mental health services sky rocket.

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I haven't seen the latest news but surely if someone is offering the kind of money being spoken about they'd resign NOW!!

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Several million dollars AND the removal of an ineffectual board of directors?

A chance to rebuild our club from a decent base, rather than starting from somewhere just below the seventh circle of hell?

An end to cringeworthy displays from Smorgon-Lite, such as his woeful effort on the footy show? This guy not only makes me feel embarrased for the club, he also makes Rob Doyle look like Winston Churchill.

The chance to welcome back one of the clubs most generous benefactors?

Where do I sign?

If Dick Pratt's even half-considering this, then I hope to God he's got a dozen Carlton legends such as Big Nick on his doorstep right now encouraging him to go through with it.


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Seems like we have no choice if the rumour is true and we would have to accept all of what he wanted....there appears no other way and his money would solve a lot of problems......including perhaps the Denis Pagan coaching issue....
I'm no fan of G.Smorgan and probably would prefer Greg Lee or our NAB friend in charge but i think we need a CEO along the lines of Brian Cook to look after Pratts money and plan the future.....there is an old saying that a drowning man will clutch onto a serpent.....we need to be careful that R.Pratt has the club interests in mind and not his own....

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I must have been squinting because for a second I thought the title of this thread was "Parrot to the rescue?" :shock:


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Several million dollars AND the removal of an ineffectual board of directors?

A chance to rebuild our club from a decent base, rather than starting from somewhere just below the seventh circle of hell?

An end to cringeworthy displays from Smorgon-Lite, such as his woeful effort on the footy show? This guy not only makes me feel embarrased for the club, he also makes Rob Doyle look like Winston Churchill.

The chance to welcome back one of the clubs most generous benefactors?

Where do I sign?

If Dick Pratt's even half-considering this, then I hope to God he's got a dozen Carlton legends such as Big Nick on his doorstep right now encouraging him to go through with it.


Too bloody right!

What he said!

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I must have been squinting because for a second I thought the title of this thread was "Parrot to the rescue?" :shock:


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One thing I will say about Dick Pratt (even though I've never met the man.

Unlike many of Australia's wealthy, he actually has a history of donating money to causes he deems worthy.

And you need to remember that although nothing comes for nothing, sometimes the public recognition that you're the 'patron' is reward enough.

Ego's a powerful motivator. And when you're worth several billion, and just a few million can make such a huge splash in society, it's definitely something you'd consider doing.

If this rumour is true, then I'd fully expect Pratt to want a big say in how the money is spent. And there's no better way of doing that than in approving of the board of directors who are going to spend it for him.

I've got no problem with that - and anyway, it'd be put to the members with a very simple vote at an Extraordinary general meeting:

Vote for the incumbents, and get more of the same.
Vote for the Pratt ticket, and get a new board + several million dollars.

Then it's up to us. Gee, I wonder which way that vote would go...


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Hey DotMan, I reckon that you are a "Cunning Linguist" 8) 8)

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JohnM wrote:
One thing I will say about Dick Pratt (even though I've never met the man.

Unlike many of Australia's wealthy, he actually has a history of donating money to causes he deems worthy.

And you need to remember that although nothing comes for nothing, sometimes the public recognition that you're the 'patron' is reward enough.

Ego's a powerful motivator. And when you're worth several billion, and just a few million can make such a huge splash in society, it's definitely something you'd consider doing.

If this rumour is true, then I'd fully expect Pratt to want a big say in how the money is spent. And there's no better way of doing that than in approving of the board of directors who are going to spend it for him.

I've got no problem with that - and anyway, it'd be put to the members with a very simple vote at an Extraordinary general meeting:

Vote for the incumbents, and get more of the same.
Vote for the Pratt ticket, and get a new board + several million dollars.

Then it's up to us. Gee, I wonder which way that vote would go...


Bit of background on the potential messiah...

Born in Poland, Mr Pratt emigrated to Australia with his family at the age of four. By the age of 18 he was juggling study, acting and working in the family business, Visy Board. Visy Industries now employs almost 8000 people in one of the world's largest privately-owned packaging and recycling companies.

Richard Pratt has long believed in service to the community and in corporate philanthropy. His service to the community includes leadership positions in higher education, the arts, and medical research. Through the Pratt Foundation established in 1978, the Pratt family is among Australia's most generous business families, giving directly and indirectly over $10 million each year to support medical research, social and cultural development encompassing aboriginal health, social welfare, arts, education, and the environment.

He is an active participant in national debates on population and immigration policy, irrigation and water conservation policy, and the need for greater business philanthropy.

At the University of Melbourne, Richard Pratt's support through the Pratt Foundation includes generous gifts to the Union Theatre redevelopment project, establishment of the Pratt Family Chair in the Melbourne Business School, the Pratt Foundation Scholarship to the highest ranked Melbourne Research Scholarship applicant, donations to the Centre for Palliative Care Education, the Ian Potter Museum of Art, the Department of Fine Arts, and the Richard Pratt Oration in the Centre for Jewish History and Culture.

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As I has said previously,

We have one final crisis to go though before we start a real rebuilding phase.

It is my belief that this final crisis is being played out right now.

It is necessary, very unpleasant but also it may possibly be closer than you might think. ..

This rebirth that follows is one which eventually ends in a premiership.

We do win a flag when no one expects us to do so.

Afterwards we are as we have always been during most of our history - thereabouts....

There are many supporters of other teams that are upset by our new and unexpected success..

I cant be sure, but because I feel that some of the young players are part of this new side, I do think that this new dawn for our club is not far away.

It is frustrating for me because although in some ways we seem close, yet it feels like we are very far away from this.

This then suggests to me that there is an pivotal event which occurs that causes a very big change in a very short space of time once a critical point has been passed.

I am also of the feeling that it is a case of having to endure the darkest of hours before a new dawn comes where we are all bathed in a new blue light of true hope.

All the blue faithful will know that the hope that they will experience after this final crisis has passed will be real - not the false promises that have flickered feebly in front of us over the past few years.

The year that we triumph is according to the footy watchers of this time is a 'team building' year.

In other words, we have the team that will take us forward, but it is quite reasonably thought that a time of learning and consolidation is required...

But instead, we brazenly and quite outrageously pinch a flag from a low spot in the final eight, by coming good towards the end of that season.

By 'coming good' I mean playing like we did in the 1999 preliminary final, except with a very new and young team...

An old coach watches from the stands and is privately satisfied that he was the one that put the building blocks in place.

There is much envy from others when we win this 17th cup, but we win it fair and square.

This truly glorious victory comes during the time of a bad war.

Everyone is scared by this new and totally unnecessary global conflict that will occur, but I arent, because I am expecting it to happen.

Humans are just going to do the same stupid dumb arsed things that they have always done and will have learnt nothing so will have to repeat a very bad cycle yet again..

But from my point of view, Carlton's win in these times is something that makes it much easier to bear.

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You are all rumour mongering-
I have seen the Smorgon and Pratt families at certain functions and they have seemed to get along just fine-
I asked someone in the know about htis earlier today and he claimed there had been some tension in the past (something about proceeds to a Jewish charity) but the families have managed to put it all behind them.

Anyways thats not all fully important right now-- will be very interesting to see what comes of all of this. What I will say is that if someone is prepared to kick in $7 million of his hard earned into a footy club, then you better believe hes going to want something out of it... any why the hell shouldnt he?


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blueman wrote:
As I has said previously,

We have one final crisis to go though before we start a real rebuilding phase.

It is my belief that this final crisis is being played out right now.

It is necessary, very unpleasant but also it may possibly be closer than you might think. ..

This rebirth that follows is one which eventually ends in a premiership.

We do win a flag when no one expects us to do so.

Afterwards we are as we have always been during most of our history - thereabouts....

There are many supporters of other teams that are upset by our new and unexpected success..

I cant be sure, but because I feel that some of the young players are part of this new side, I do think that this new dawn for our club is not far away.

It is frustrating for me because although in some ways we seem close, yet it feels like we are very far away from this.

This then suggests to me that there is an pivotal event which occurs that causes a very big change in a very short space of time once a critical point has been passed.

I am also of the feeling that it is a case of having to endure the darkest of hours before a new dawn comes where we are all bathed in a new blue light of true hope.

All the blue faithful will know that the hope that they will experience after this final crisis has passed will be real - not the false promises that have flickered feebly in front of us over the past few years.

The year that we triumph is according to the footy watchers of this time is a 'team building' year.

In other words, we have the team that will take us forward, but it is quite reasonably thought that a time pf learning and consolidation is required...

But instead, we brazenly and quite outrageously pinch a flag from a low spot in the final eight, by coming good towards the end of that season.

By 'coming good' I mean playing like we did in the 1999 preliminary final, except with a very new and young team...

An old coach watches from the stands and is privately satisfied that he was the one that put the building blocks in place.

There is much envy from others when we win this 17th cup, but we win it fair and square.

This truly glorious victory comes during the time of a bad war.

Everyone is scared by this new and totally unnecessary global conflict that will occur, but I arent, because I am expecting it to happen.

Humans are just going to do the same stupid dumb arsed things that they have always done and will have learnt nothing so will have to repeat a very bad cycle yet again..

But from my point of view, Carlton's win in these times is something that makes it much easier to bear.


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Blues powerbroker tells of receivership push:
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 75630.html

Seems The Age has no sources to right a column on this rumour and are running with an Interview with Bruce Mathieson today.

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