I think a serious argument could be mounted that the draw from last year be disregarded when it comes to PP consideration.

The rules state 4 wins, do they not talk about premiership points, right?

Still, it becomes moot if we win 5+ matches this year.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

I believe the new priority pick rules allow for a club to apply for "special consideration" from the AFL for an extra pick before the first round. I'm pretty sure its in there. We'd be mad not to ask for one if the condition is there.

God help us if the AFL say yes. I don't know if I can deal with another head spin.

The thing with us is that we can't afford to lose, I'm not talking about deliberate tanking, I'm talking about a subconscious mind set. To add to that; many think we are not in a position to take risks with our trading and recruiting. All this makes it hard for us to match it with the other clubs when it comes to rebuilding. That is why I think we need the PP.

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There is no way the AFL will change the priority draft pick system for us!! If St Kilda had asked for the same kind of concession back in 95 we would have been screaming blue murder!! The AFL will have a riot on their hands if they start tweaking the draft rules to favour us (because that is how the other 15 teams will see it). Sure I'd love to get Bryce Gibbs and Selwood as well, but it aint gonna happen. Hopefully this is the one ambit claim that we use as a trade-off to get more $$$.

If the AFL go for this rescue package then I might have to get the Carlton team to renegotiate my mortgage so that the bank are paying me for the priviledge of borrowing their $$$. This is a pretty sweet deal and the spectre of Pratt looming over the table only serves to weaken our case. The AFL aint stupid, if they think Pratt is going to bail us out, why would they kick in money.

As for us having them over a barrel, think again. If we were to ask where to return the keys for the club to as we were winding up, rather than fall over and beg us to stay, they'd simply give us a stamped addressed envelope for the keys marked 'Southport Sharks'.

Hate to say it, but I reckon they will offer some kind of help with the ground but nowhere near what we're asking and we will be on the CBF gravy train!

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May as well have asked for 6 priority picks.

An ambit claim is an ambit claim.

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2nd effort, it is not tinkering. It is simply reinforcing what the spirit of the "bonus" PP should be about.

Just for arguments sake, if Carlton only managed to obtain another win for the rest of the year (I think they'll win more) then it would be an injustice to preclude a club that has managed 7 wins in 44 matches to not receive this type of draft assistance. It could probably even be argued on this line if the club obtained 4 wins.

It is identifying what the spirit of the law is supposed to be.

And if Carlton was to perform as poorly as that, imagine what the crowds at games would be and the response amongst supporters. It was pretty gloomy towards the end of last year, imagine this year given that crowds are dropping off terribly now! The plight would be that desperate that the AFL would probably throw one as an emergency draft lifeline of sorts!!!

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C'mon Blueboys!

It would depend on what they were pitching.

If there really is 'special considerations' rule like MM says there is, then I think there are about two clubs who would have a case for it and we are one of them.

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That may be the case, but surely you have to request that special consideration at the end of the season.

If you win 4.5 games one year, and 4 the next, and then ask the AFL for an extra pick, that's one thing.

But to win 4.5 games one year, and a third of the way through the next season ask preemptively for a priority pick .... that seems pretty suss.

If you look at it isolated I guess it does look a bit suss but I suppose they are going the 'whole hog' while they can. If it does not work this time I would be pitching it again at seasons end too.

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No it stated 16 points.

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=237547

Can't really see the AFL saying to us after 2 wins that we can have a PP if we win less than 2 more. The whole idea behind the change was to stop tanking and fans wanting to see their team lose to get a PP.

You dont have to convince me, I agree with you. Hell if it was up to me we'd have the first 16 picks and the rest could fight over the scraps every year. I just cant see the other 15 clubs accepting our interpretation of the 'spirit' of the ruling. There wasnt a lot of love around for Adelaide a month or so ago when they argued about the spirit of the F/S rules and the eleigibility periods for SA fathers. Nobody is going to want to move 1 pick further down the pecking order in the super draft to accomodate us. They all want the best for their clubs and I dont think any of them want to wear any hurt to help us out. They'll all be bleeding in the press if we get some financial assistance anyway. Draft concessions would just about send every other club president into orbit!!!

I agree that it is cruel, unjust and doesnt seem in the spirit of the rules that a hard fought draw last season might preclude us from drafting a champion player in this year's draft. It doesnt seem right that a club so obviously in need of fresh playing stock will miss out on great young players because of a drawn game a season ago, but there has to be a rule and we'd all be saying 'stiff shit' if we were 1 point under the cut-off. The AFL is there to represent the interests of all of the clubs and I cant see the others being too accomodating given that they all wanted to change the PP system to begin with.

What i will find very funny, and somewhat compensatory will be if the Scum finish bottom and become the first team to miss out on a 1st round PP for coming last. That will make me laugh right up until I see Bryce Gibbs in an Essendon* jumper!!

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Clubs took delight in our plight before and they'll do the same again on this issue.

There's no way they'll let us do this.

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good move by our board.

did i just say that



seriously though - we got shafted no end by the move from OO and we continue to get shafted and it has nothing to do with what Elliot did.

If the ground costs 1.8million in upkeep, combine that with the loss revenue from the Social Club, around the 1 - 1.5 million mark, we are talking around 3 million in the whole before we even start.

There would be no club in the league that has to handle something like that - and we only have to handle that situation becuase of the AFL giving it to us in the move from OO.

We are getting, with this concept, what we should have got from the AFL in the first place.

Shame its 2 years too late though.

The draft pick scheme, while i would love to see it happen, will never happen, i think that is there as furphy to help us get the other proposals through.

besides, i think we will win more than 5 games this year.

p.s. who has the odds that once the AFL takes over OO and redevelops it that there will be games at OO every week? Bet your last dollar that there will be a Sunday game for a melbourne based team against an Interstate team there every weekend as it will be more "viable"

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Couldnt you just see that as the crowning glory in the 'Spew's' plans. the final jigsaw piece. Got rid of Jack, brought us to our knees, bought our home ground off us for rock bottom and then use it for Melb vs Fremantle 'Blockbusters'. Just about the final insult. Here we are all patting ourselves on the back for getting out of debt and they are walking away with our home ground. Systematic plan to take away any power or pull that we once had?? i wonder.

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The board should predominately be judged on how much money they can generate via our revenue streams. This is another band aid measure and not a long term solution.
We need our revenue to increase by 10 million dollars per annum to compete with the big clubs. In the end that is the solution to most of our problems. I've heard the board whinge and moan about Kouta's contract, Elliott's mis management etc. etc.
In John Kennedy's words it is time to "DO SOMETHING" or get out and let someone else to do it.

The new law on drafting and PPs works well. Clubs can't afford to tank for two consecutive seasons given coaching contracts, sponsor deals and crowd figures - we're now less likely to see a repeat of the Collingwood and Hawthorn recent go-slow approaches which compromised the integrity of the PP rule.

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its on the cards, dont you worry.

and you know what, i dont really care either anymore.

if it means - we have exclusive rights to our social club - like collingwood has at the MCG (no other team can use it) and we play teams like Eagles, Freo, Crows, Port there then im all for it.

we got shafted in the move, no doubt in my mind about that, but in the end if it means we are possibly going to play our interstate games there and the AFL is going to pay for the upkeep and also the redevelopment of the ground and get us out of debt with the proposal put forward by the board, then i would be reasonably happy with it all.

like i said, IMO, this is the deal we should have got when we moved.

Games at TD - Melbourne, Bulldogs, Hawks, Geelong, St Kilda, North, Brisbane, Sydney
Games at MCG - Collingwood, Essendon*, Richmond
Games at OO - Eagles, Freo, Port, Crows

would see me a very happy camper

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ahh, but its all part of the problem.

we are in the hole for several million before we even begin.

if we can find a solution that means we are on a level playing field with the rest of the clubs you will find our omprovement off the field will be rapid.

the reason for our plight is simple - we are treading water. if we can improve this with the help of the AFL we will be on the shore again and able to look forward and look at ways to advance.

but we cant do that until we are out of the shit and on the shore with the rest of the clubs.

like i said, IMO, its not as simple as Elliot, yes he has things to answer for, however the deal that was struck by the previous board i.e collo has also lead to our current plight.

if we can remedy both these problems in one hit with the proposal out forward by the current board then finally, after 4 years of shit, we will have our heads above water, with the kids coming on, the whole club will be fresh and looking brighter.

im happy that the board has gone this path.

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How does all of this stop the board from increasing revenue by 10 million dollars? The club has had record membership in 2003, 2004 and 2005. The supporters of done their bit, we have rallied. They have had 3 years to get their act into gear and sell the club. We need a revenue stream of 30 million dollars p.a.
No more excuses do it or get out.

I cant beleive I am saying this but woof you are 100% right . Going to the AFL asking for a handout will fix the now but what measure have you put in place to fix the future. We need to get revenue up and up quickly so we are on par with other clubs instead of cutting costs all the time. Instead of asking the afl to pay for the up keep of PP find a way to generate revenue through it. If the social club is loosing money because we dont play there any more make it more attractive to bring in people during the week . Similar to leagues clubs in NSW . Not one of them relies on home games for their revenue

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