JohnM wrote:

Yes John, but my point is that the clubs who'll have picks 1 through to 8 this "super-draft" year WILL NOT trade away their round 1 pick. I put to you and to "Mr Realistic" (Synbad), what pick would you accept for Lance? Mr Realistic claims we're all in la-la land but he still seems to think that clubs will be falling over themselves to trade away their first pick for Lance. I suggest that no matter how well Lance continues to play this year, we won't be getting a 1-10 pick for him. Therefore, I do not think he should be traded.

Mr Realistic, what pick do you think we'll get for Lance come trade time this year?

I don't think we can afford to trade Lance right now. Anybody who has seen the last few Carlton games should know that Lance is holding the backline together. Thornton has become a better player thanks to Lance's presence down back. Take Lance away and we most likely won't win a game. Lose games and you lose members, gate receipt and sponsors. He is also our only genuine Captaincy candidate after Kouta retires, which should be at the end of this year. Stevens hangs his head too easily for my liking. Right now, in terms of onfield leadership, Lance is the best leader we have had for a very long time. I'd only trade him for 2 top 10 picks and that aint going to happen.

They should have traded him 3 years ago.

Id definitely take anything in the top 20.

and what i would be doing is having my recruiting guys work out what number you can draft quality to.

It would be negligent of this footy club to be weak on a draft this strong and take players off the table...

so lucablue... your answer is how long is a piece of string...??
I dont know that.... that should be the job of the recruiting dept...

I know id have swapped him for last years pick 19....

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Thanks for your honesty! Although, I have to say that I diasagree with you on both points, ie he's worth more than last years pick 19 and I'd suggest there's too much risk involved in whoever this years pick 20 turns out to be.

Then I'm extremely happy you don't run my football club.

But I'd seriously think about trading him this year if a club offered two picks in the top 20 or thereabouts in the superdraft. If any club came to us with an offer too good to refuse it we'd be negligent if we knocked it back.

He would have gone to the Dees if they had put a player on the table as well a draft pick, but I think we might get more this year if he keeps playing well.

okay, say we come second last and earn a p.p.

so we have picks 2 and 18 and 20

and then a club offers say pick 12 and pick 30

that'd give us 2 12 18 20 30 - @#$%&! that'd be sweet.

what say you then Macbeth?

say we come third last and no P.P.
and get offered 12 and 35

even that would be 3 12 20 & 35....

Dismiss nothing

and Go Lance smash the Sainters on Sunday!

Paradoxes and midfielders are where I'm at!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

You know it saddens me that people Synbad that you dont enjoy seeing the Blues taste some success or even that a player like Lance is doing everything we criticised for not doing well

I go to Games and really want to see the team succeed, i like to See the player take steps to lift and develope and enjoy watching players like Murphy ... See Fev bust packs ... Was great to see kennedy get his first goal

I cant help if i enjoy seeing my club succeed and i am sure there are many like that
If Whits performs well fantastic give him credit ... he is leading marker in the competition / 2nd in contested ,...what a hack player

SO you say Lance is slow Synbad do you understand speed can be expressed in 2 ways one is in pure speed from point a to b the other is too anticipate where to be before your opponent called reading the play... The best players can do both the exceptional do both well.. Lance is excellent in reading the play and anticipating the play yes he is slower but a lot of players are slow on what Lance is good at... Pure speed goes with age but reading the play and anticipating an oponents next move improves as you get more experienced ... As lance was good at a young age and is even better now. Anyway i enjoy watching him play and its good to see a player from the Blues being given votes and being seen highly in the competition makes a nice change ... Same with Fev leading the Coleman Medal.

happy for you to make a mockery of me Synbad as you do so many other posters who dont agree with you
Anyway from how i see you Synbad and i am sure not the case but just the impression you give out... you Snipe Whits at every oppertunity and almost take enjoyment in seeing him fail to justify to all he is slow and a 2 bit player you have said all his early round performances where against poor opposition. I dunno if you are hoping for him to fall over so you can justify and say how pathetic he is ... or if you look at him and say play okay Lance but not to well cause we have to trade you....

Not sure if you even enjoy a carlton win these days ... maybe one more win away from loosing precious draft picks ......The club will fail if it wins more than 4 games in the next 3 years... Doom and gloom from where i am sitting the club travelling pretty poorly and some success will help lift spirits of the players supporters and club in general.

Also you mentioned Kouta ... Teague well yer i dont see them in the future of the Blues. Didnt with Campo either ..... And Lance and Fev have both shown a lot this year .... and we will see how far they travel and if they remain consistant barring injury of course then that will be real test ..


But one week just enjoy the Blues having a win Synbad ... enjoy the performances of the players and shit they havnt had much to enjoy .... Murph has been involved in more wins than half our list over the past season and unlike some i hope he continues to taste success i know i for one will enjoy seeing the future players enjoy playing footy again.

So enjoy watching the game only to see lance fail Synbad hope that makes yer weekend .... but if he fails to bad ohhh well we can get maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder lol

Cheers

Where do I sign off on these trades?

Receiving pick 12 and 30 for Lance along with picks 2, 18 and 20 would set the club as a power side again. We couldn't knock back an offer like with draft watchers rating pick 20 as good as a top five pick in 2005. Lance has been terrific this year but adding another Andrew Walker and pick 30 to the side would more than compensate for losing Whitnall for 4-5 seasons.

Pick 19 last year wouldn't have!

The query on Lance down back used to be that he would get exposed playing man on man and would only be useful as a loose man in defence where all he had to do was read the play. With one limited exception this year, that has not been the case.

Lance has done a job on some of the game's most talented forwards, despite the fact that the backline has been under enormous pressure. Lance is the fittest he has ever been and probably holding down the most important position on the ground. It has certainly been our achilles heal since SOS’ retirement. If you trade him, IMHO, (i) you fail to reward him for doing the right thing by the club – and in doing so, it sends the wrong message to the playing group, (ii) you rob the playing group of leadership and (iii) you take all hope away from the members.

When I think of what our list would have looked like this year had we traded Lance and Fev last year at relatively fire sale prices, I thank god that neither materialized. We have the inform CHB and FF of the competition. We now need to add to our depth and build a team around them.

Did anyone listen to the Fev interview where he said that he sent a text message to JK after his first game telling him not to get down in the dumps? That's leadership.

Did anyone listen to Dylan McLaren's interview on Sport 927 when he spoke about Lance's influence on the playing group? He noted that Lance addressed the players at three quarter time suggesting not to panic if the Bombers kicked a few early. That's leadership. He is starting to do all things we hoped he would do.

We have good young players coming through. And with our low finishes in the next couple of years we will be guaranteed fairly good draft picks. Where our list is deficient is in the 24-28 bracket, so if a player's form in that age bracket warrants retention on the list, we'd be crazy to trade them unless the offer was so ridiculously good. Don't forget we traded Hamill for pick 4 and look at how that turned out. Admittedly our hand was forced on that occasion but it highlights that there is no guarantee that a high pick will be a star.

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He's in great form, finally some real on-field leadership, I hope it continues.

We all hope it continues, for some it will mean that he is worth more on the market at the end of the year and for others it will be the continued transformation into an elite footballer.

Lets put Lance on Riewoldt or Gehrig for a real test... why not? He's a gun CHB now

I think what Synbad is saying is that history is not on Lance's side. He's playing really well at the moment.... everyone can see that... but decisions are made about the future, not the now... and history doesn't bode well for Lance.

Then again, he might have "turned a corner" and play out his career as our gun defender.... and I hope he has!

but its only 7 rounds in.... Lets have Pagan keep the heat on Lance and give him a test with Gehrig.... and keep up the momentum that way.

Our gun defender shouldn't be exposed by a certain percentage of the league's forwards..... so lets see if that will happen or not.

I'm cautiously optimistic

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In that situation I would consider it. You could go CHB, Ruck, Mid, Mid, Mid (or any variation thereof) and in two years time we'll be laughing.

But the problem with your scenario is that I'm not convinced that any club (even one close to a flag) would give up two sub-30 picks in this draft for Lance let alone pick 12. Time will tell I guess.

On the plus side, if someone was that dumb, his contract size is unlikely to be an impediment to a deal.

I disagree, or do not understand where you're coming from about decisions being made for the future and not the now. You argue it's only 7 rounds in so we shouldn't be jumping up and down or something, and history is not on Whitnall's side. I'd argue history is not on any players side as eventually they all have to move on. The fact that Whitnall has played 7 good weeks of footy has no bearing on the next seven week or the next seven years. There is only right here and right now. And right here and right now Whitnall is playing very good footy.

At the end of the season, when the footy is over, and Whitnall isn't playing any games because the finals are over, the people in charge will make a decision about the future. Right now they are very very focussed on the now and what has to be done this weekend.

The trouble is people are always looking so far ahead they can't appreciate what's around them. I guess that's where the saying came from that you need to stop and smell the flowers or coffee or whatever it is.

I also find the crackpot theory that Teague won the B&F a couple of years ago and now he's in the reserves, so the same thing will happen to Whitnall, quite laughable. It's a bit like when you hide a ball from a dog, and it eventually sniffs it out, and then when you hide it in a different place, the first place the dog goes to is where you hid the ball the other time.

Amazes me that people actually take any currency from a word that Synbad has to say. For almost 4 years now I have been reading these fan forums (Here and TBV) and have never read such a load of self-serving cods-wallop in my entire life.

Who does he think he is. He puts himself forward as an expert on all things Carlton related; he supposedly has inside information on the biggest stories to hit the club since John Worrall was announced coach in 1905, and yet he keeps his sources extremely close to his chest.

I want to know Synbad,,,, who are your "sources"? How close to the club are you? How can you get a scoop on inside information that no-one else can get? It's about time that you come out of your bedroom and actually put up or p*ss off.

I don't care who ANYONE thinks they know or how close to a club anyone can be - there are just certain things that no-one can "know" We have been "guaranteed" that certain things have been going to happen with Lappin, Whitnall, Fevola, Stevens, Kouta etc etc etc over the past 4 years - ohhh and lets not forget Pagan. Christ, anything that Synbad has come up with has been nothing more than rumour, scandal and innuendo that any monkey could come up with - or that the rest of we monkeys can't see for ourselves.

So the latest is that Stevens has been guaranteed the captaincy. Ohhh for crying out loud. Get a LIFE! If Stevens continues to play his loose-checking, unaccountable, skill-deprived style of play, he will end up captain of the Bullants more than anything else.

Synbad comes across to the more intelliegent supporter as nothing more than a sad lonely little man sitting on his computer all day thinking up ways to make a name for himself on an internet forum.
It's bad enough for AFL footballers to run around the real world pretending to be heroes when they are just normal blokes who get well paid to kick a ball. It is something akin to pathetic when a faceless cretin wants to pretend to be Superman on the internet to provide mindless hoons on the internet with a bit of "wow" factor by suggesting he knows what goes on in the inner sanctum.

Synbad - accept that Lance is a champion and that he is sticking it up all those who doubted him - and his detractors like you - and will not only go close to being All Australian CHB (barring injury) but will go very close to winning the Brownlow (barring injury). If he doesn't have 8 votes by the end of Round 7, I will offer my services to umpire the first fan forum footy match played after the finals are finished.

I may hate Fevola myself but am prepared to accept that he is playing very good footy at the moment and I hope he continues.. Not for the fact that we will get "trade currency" at the end of the year , but for the fact that if he is kicking goals, we are a chance to win. We need ALL our players playing well if we are to avoid the spoon again.

No need for a garbage post ridiculing one of our most prolific posters.

Feel free to disagree - heck I disagree completely on this topic - but no need to launch such a personal tirade. What did you contribute in your page long diatribe against Synbad?

Its a forum of rumours, half truths and opinions and Synbad has had his fair share of wins.

Chyna,

On the Lance issue I have shared your frustrations over the last couple of years, not just with Synbad but a number of posters - my main reason being I don't think people have really taken into account injuries/interrupted preseasons.

However, my advice is to just enjoy this period of the sun shining on Whits for the sake of Carlton - not for creating another 'what have you got to say now Synbad' post. For me Carlton has always been & will always be a far more precious part of my life than TC, & I would not be Robinson Crusoe on that note. I think we all forget our priorities a bit when we start the 'you were wrong' business.

Synbad gets some stuff right & some stuff wrong - one thing he has maintained that I do agree with is that he is prepared to stick his neck out & risk egg on his face from time to time.

If you rock up to the soc club when we're playing interstate you'll also find he's not a faceless guy behind a computer.

But yeah, his Lance stuff shits me

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agree with you Molsey, Chyna - a source is exactly that, as soon as you name your source you lose them. Besides, if you take what people say on here as gospel you are in the wrong place.

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Now here is a bloke called Chyna who rubbishes my posts and says "Synbad...accept Lance is a champion..."

Pretty low standards there buddy....A CHAMPION????

A champion we couldnt get rid off?
A champion after SEVEN GAMES in 4 years???

A flower 'CHAMPION'?????

I bet with a dollar in your pocket you tell people youre a millionaire...
I bet when you go fishing and catch a flatty you tell people its a Marlin.
I reckon when you play golf... you wear your Tiger Woods polo shirt...
I reckon when you play tennis you paint your fingenails pink...
i think you tell people who say... "dont i know you from somewhere???".... That you were in Troy as Achilles...

Thats what i reckon....

Nothing like fiction in your life eh???


Explain how Lance is a champion....

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Defend Lance (or not) without the personal attacks against fellow posters please.