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I hope we delist at least 6! But we are trying to catch up with other clubs and be infront around 3 years from now. This year there will be no early draft picks (just a 17/18 pp) so to gain an extra top 10 and another (which is my plan for Lance :wink: ) would actually give us a big, big bonus aginst other clubs trying to gain. Now as you rightly point out a Campo etc has no currency but Lance would have (especially after this year) so in my mind he is the most expendable currency we have.

Now if no one offers more than say pick 15 I'd tell them to go jump, but say two top 30 picks to add to our other early picks might just set us up.

The point about picks is not the few you can pluck like grapes, but have a look at one year against another and overall how do they match up?

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what would we get for De Luca?

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fevolaaaa wrote:
barass wrote:
All this talk about trading for draft picks. Let's see how teams who have built from high draft picks are travelling:

* St Kilda - peaking at the right time together (NOT!!)
* Fremantle - need AFL to win them games
* Geelong - to busy getting big heads in a big country town


I despise Geelong, but I'd love to know your rationale for adding them in this list. Team built from high draft picks???????


I think Ottens is their only top 6 pick and he is a retread.

Certainly not a team of top picks.

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yes but Scarlett?

Ablett?


hey? hey Jar Jar. what about them apples?

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This does not mean I want Lance to go only thatr for the right deal I think he is someone would could lose (and someone other clubs would want) without hurting too much.

Haviong said all that, gee its been great to see him turn it around

Summed it up perfectly (except for the typos).

I think the majority of us are wrapped that Lance has turned it around. But at the same time, the majority of us would accept a low 1st round draft pick for him if a club was stupid enough to offer it.

Then we have the odd extremist on one side saying Lance is a star & is untouchable.

And an extremist on the other side who says Lance is a lazy, money hungry *%$# who's only worth to the club is what we can get for him come October.


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barass wrote:
what would we get for De Luca?


Straight Swap with Goddard.. :shock: 8) :wink:

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dannyboy wrote:
yes but Scarlett?

Ablett?


hey? hey Jar Jar. what about them apples?


The happy hand of hindsight danny. :lol:

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While we are trading Lance we may as well trade Stevens and Fev and get lots of draft picks in the super Draft .

We could become know as The Super Draft Blues and under Denis guidance go on and win 10 flags in a row as noone will be able to match the Super Draft kids

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All this talk about trading for draft picks. Let's see how teams who have built from high draft picks are travelling:

* St Kilda - peaking at the right time together (NOT!!)
* Fremantle - need AFL to win them games
* Geelong - to busy getting big heads in a big country town

Now let's look at the premiers for the past 10 years
97-98 Adelaide - home grown talent, players who were imported (Jarman, McLeod) effectively win them 2 flags
96-99 Nth Melb - Carey, who else do you need
00 Essendon* - No hig draft picks there bar lloyd (Hird 79)
01-03 Brisbane - combo of locals, Fotzroy and imports
04 PA - locals and imports
05 Sydney - how many high draft picks did they have?? One of their highest, J McVeigh, didn't even play in the GF.

All this talk of superdraft is crap. How do we know it's a super draft?? I'd like someone to give me proof all these juniors will be champions. Why would we trade someone who is now the fabric and leader of the palying group for essentially UNTRIED AT AFL LEVEL young talent. Drafting is not the panacea, history has proven this.

Are some of you blokes saying you wouldnt trade Lance???

Hands up those that wouldnt....

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Dannyboy if you put it they way you have

Lance is currency
Fev is currency
Stevo is Currency
Houlahan prob has some currency
Waite possibly

how expendable are all these players to us to gain stability in the group which we are building around.

If we get rid of Lance and say Stevo is worth a top 20 pick to do we get rid of him to

Personally and remembering all the get rid of Houla Threads last year maybe if you want yer elusive top 20 Extra pick trade Houla
Houla good disposal -yes / good possesion getter - yes / But not able to contest .. cant tackle ... and too soft
Is Houla expendable to rebuild the list

My thinking on keeping Lance .. and based on how he has performed thus far .. and on basis he continues for the remainder of the year..

Building the backline around Lance to add stability
Building centre around Stevo / Murph
Building Forward line around Fev

All these 3 and Murph in the future will be players to lead there respective positions and i really want may not happen as only round 7 but would be great to see the team develope around these 3 players.

Anyway again only 7 rounds so still plenty of time to see everything fall apart or for Lance to fail or Fev to loose his cool ... stevo to give up.

Then all the doom sayers can claim credit and be just in trading them all off and we can get a third spoon / pagan can be sacked / the club will have less members than the Kangaroos / be beaten by 100+ Margins

But we will get 5 top 20 Draft picks :)


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So Wolfe .. one top 20 pick wouldnt be enough ? :-D

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Sydney Blue wrote:
While we are trading Lance we may as well trade Stevens and Fev and get lots of draft picks in the super Draft .

We could become know as The Super Draft Blues and under Denis guidance go on and win 10 flags in a row as noone will be able to match the Super Draft kids


apparently there's so much talent in next years draft pool that the East Coast Eagles might pick up a player or two Sydney blue

P.S How is the local league going. I miss the hour on Fox Footy on Fri nights before FNF.

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Synbad wrote:
barass wrote:
All this talk about trading for draft picks. Let's see how teams who have built from high draft picks are travelling:

* St Kilda - peaking at the right time together (NOT!!)
* Fremantle - need AFL to win them games
* Geelong - to busy getting big heads in a big country town

Now let's look at the premiers for the past 10 years
97-98 Adelaide - home grown talent, players who were imported (Jarman, McLeod) effectively win them 2 flags
96-99 Nth Melb - Carey, who else do you need
00 Essendon* - No hig draft picks there bar lloyd (Hird 79)
01-03 Brisbane - combo of locals, Fotzroy and imports
04 PA - locals and imports
05 Sydney - how many high draft picks did they have?? One of their highest, J McVeigh, didn't even play in the GF.

All this talk of superdraft is crap. How do we know it's a super draft?? I'd like someone to give me proof all these juniors will be champions. Why would we trade someone who is now the fabric and leader of the palying group for essentially UNTRIED AT AFL LEVEL young talent. Drafting is not the panacea, history has proven this.

Are some of you blokes saying you wouldnt trade Lance???

Hands up those that wouldnt....


I'll put my hand up.
I honestly wouldn't.


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I'd keep Fev rather than Lance (personal bias nothing more I admit but a hell of a lot of kids wear 25 on their jumpers)

Houla would not get us anything like Lance - if he did I;d keep lance and trade Houla.

Stevo - yep I'd trade him before Lance but I do not think he would gather the interest.

so yes its about making choices. And weighing up worth and weighing up future and all that.

at the end of the day i am happy to keep Lance (as I have said) but if someone offered up the right deal - I'd snap it up.

and where did I say i would trade everyone?

where has anyone?

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As you have pointed out Synbad and i have agreed it is round 7 on the basis of current form a top 20 pick unless in the top 5 wouldnt even be considered this is based on current form and also his leadership value at present.
If he maintains this form all 2006 then he should valued for what he can offer and the influence on the list both in his leadership and ability to assist the younger brigade in the Back and forward lines.

Hey if you said Houla for a top 20 pick i be more inclined to think that is a possibility .... but hey its round 7 .. and lance may fall of his bike eat heaps of burgers and run out only 5 minutes in a quarter but then he wouldnt be worth a top 50 draft pick lol but at least you could say he is slow .. and should retire.


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ablett was always thought to be a great get, don't know about scarlett. Point is though Jar Jar, the way around the npicks is the F/S rule - breed you bastards, breed!

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I'm just glad he's playing.

Early this year I was surfing the net and came across an article which was titled:

[url=http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=388478]Greenfield school in mourning

Whitnall, star athlete, killed in crash; 2 teens hurt[/url]


At first I thought Whitnall went to a school called Greenfield, or some school kids from a school called Greenfield were killed.

But once I read it I realised it was something that happened in the US. :oops:


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I'm just glad he's playing.

Early this year I was surfing the net and came across an article which was titled:

[url=http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=388478]Greenfield school in mourning

Whitnall, star athlete, killed in crash; 2 teens hurt[/url]


At first I thought Whitnall went to a school called Greenfield, or some school kids from a school called Greenfield were killed.

But once I read it I realised it was something that happened in the US. :oops:


Can always rely on you for putting things into perspective for the rest of us.

Tah...

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dannyboy wrote:
ablett was always thought to be a great get, don't know about scarlett. Point is though Jar Jar, the way around the npicks is the F/S rule - breed you bastards, breed!


I'm a great supporter of the 'pass the Y chromosome on' petition.

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