I too live abroad, I too hate the current structure at the CFC but I will always renew my membership as it is a small token to pay each year for the years of joy the club has given me.

It is true in the days of fickle consumerism (or self-loyalty) that there are many other demands for my recreational dollar and that the club does nothing to make a new member feel valuable in any way, but it makes me feel good to give to my favourite charity...

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Deano Supremo wrote:

phoenix johnson wrote:

Noonamah Blue wrote:

Good Post Fevolution. Regardless of wether Pagan is the best coach , this petition is an apalling betrayal of the club. Even if he deserves to be sacked, the club due to i's financial position cannot afford to get rid of him anyway.

Explain to me how it is an "appaling betrayal of the club"?

I'd like to know that too.

Camm is a Carlton member who, right or wrong, thinks sacking Pagan now would be a positive move for the club.

He has every right, as a member to express that opinion, as I have every right to disagree with that opinion.

Just because he has a right to do it, doesnt make it the right thing to do. The fabric of our club is being pulled apart from external sources, the last thing we need is to implode from within. If this "Cammo" has the fortitude, he will front the members on this issue and have the guts to hold a petition outside the "G" on Sunday, then he would have the opportunity of explaining his actions rather than hiding behind his pc and slagging off at the club!!! This guy is not a supporter of the club, he is an enemy of the club!!!

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http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,19182111%255E19762,00.html

I'm not sure why this has much media attention but I hope most Carlton supporters are embarrassed by this petition.

This kind of crap only deepens our wounds. It seems there is always something around the corner to kick Carlton while we are down. From losing sponsorships, Presidents quitting, dashed hopes of a white knight saving our club and now a petition to sack Pagan.

Supporters should stop hurting our club, pull their head in or else quit the club and get back on our premiership train later (Go Tigers).

This kind of stuff needs to happen at years end. NOT NOW. During the season I would rather read about Waite, Simmo, Murphy, Fev etc rather than stupid ego driven stories like this.

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It's not a right v wrong issue though is it? If it is, then how will we all agree to a value judgement?

Its a wonderful thing about our society that this is allowed. What is its impact? Well, it may, if structured right, tell teh Club that some of many fans have some big issues with direction. What's wrong with that?

I think its fantastic that a fan or some fans get off their butt and do something that they believe will benefit the Club. Not many do it other than write complaint emails which just slow the Club down. How many posters do we have contributing to the Blueseum? How many posters volunteer their time for the Cheer Squad?

This is just a different way to express it.

molsey wrote:

It's not a right v wrong issue though is it? If it is, then how will we all agree to a value judgement?

Its a wonderful thing about our society that this is allowed. What is its impact? Well, it may, if structured right, tell teh Club that some of many fans have some big issues with direction. What's wrong with that?

I think its fantastic that a fan or some fans get off their butt and do something that they believe will benefit the Club. Not many do it other than write complaint emails which just slow the Club down. How many posters do we have contributing to the Blueseum? How many posters volunteer their time for the Cheer Squad?

This is just a different way to express it.

Better ways than to do it so publicly. It is ridicuous that it has ended up in the paper!!! Here we are as a club trying desperately to attract sponsors and our potential corporate supporters are reading this sort of rubbish in the HUN!!! Words cant describe the stupidity of this whole thing!!!

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Will the Club listen privately? I dont think they have the staff or the inclination to do so.

I am sure Carlton knows there are problems and are aware of the issues. Do you think they ignore membership figures, crowd figures etc. This exercise will not benefit the club. It is very poor judgment. At least the Herald Sun, The Age, Nine, Seven and all media outlets will enjoy it. So will the opposition supporters. I won't!!!

We can say it is everyone’s right to do this and do that, but I encourage all supporters to vote for your preferred board member and then let them do their job. If you think they aren’t successful then vote for someone else when they are up for re-election.

Hopefully when we punish St.Kilda this weekend, this nonsense will stop.

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molsey wrote:

Will the Club listen privately? I dont think they have the staff or the inclination to do so.

Tell me this...how is this helping??? And whats more, who is going to pay out DP's contract, I can tell you that Cammo wont be the one paying it!!! Newsflash...we cant afford it!!!! This is wrong in so many ways it is frightening, totally naive with this approach. And by the way, you would be surprised about who does listen, I can tell you this though, the chances of the club taking any notice of this petition are next to none NOW!!!

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Cannot agree more.
Lets get over this stupid argument over whether this idiot has "the right" to do this. This is Australia. Any idiot can do anything stupid as long as its within the law. The question is whether it is benefitting or harming the CFC. I dont think he cares about that. He wants Pagan sacked therefore thats all that matters. Nothing else is worth considering.

It is no coincidence that this being done by a 20 year old. Especially someone who has his history of lack of self control. ME ME ME ME ME Me ME ME ME

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I agree that the petition is likely to be ignored - it has to be ignored - and even further, I doubt many will sign up to it, other than the mainstays at CSC. In this respect I feel as though the petition will fade into memory.

If you follow it over on CSC it's already been delayed and already requiring member numbers. I wouldn't sign it and I don't think many of my Blues loving friends would even consider it.

It will die a natural death.

I fail to see how this will harm the Club any more than being last placed would?

molsey wrote:

I agree that the petition is likely to be ignored - it has to be ignored - and even further, I doubt many will sign up to it, other than the mainstays at CSC. In this respect I feel as though the petition will fade into memory.

If you follow it over on CSC it's already been delayed and already requiring member numbers. I wouldn't sign it and I don't think many of my Blues loving friends would even consider it.

It will die a natural death.

I fail to see how this will harm the Club any more than being last placed would?

It is in the paper already!!! That is where the damage is done!!!

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While I don't personally agree with the petition, or the timing of it, at this point in time, statements like this will only help to inflame the situation. It is totally over the top.

And I say that as someone who has had many run-ins with Cammo (as a forum moderator).

Let's all calm down abit. If Cammo manages to get people to the G or TD with petitions, you can choose to just politely say "No Thanks". Don't give the media any more reasons to sensationalise the occasion.

Would another coach take us forward better than Pagan?
Will our kids be disadvantaged by his inabilities?

If our board answers yes to either of these questions at seasons end, we'd be negligent in not terminating his contract.

If you want Pagan to stay, just say so, dont use finances as an excuse.
The cost will be far higher if we are compromising the development of our youth with a sub standard coach.

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Blue Vain wrote:

BlueDW wrote:

Tell me this...how is this helping??? And whats more, who is going to pay out DP's contract, I can tell you that Cammo wont be the one paying it!!! Newsflash...we cant afford it!!!!

Would another coach take us forward better than Pagan?
Will our kids be disadvantaged by his inabilities?

If our board answers yes to either of these questions at seasons end, we'd be negligent in not terminating his contract.

If you want Pagan to stay, just say so, dont use finances as an excuse.
The cost will be far higher if we are compromising the development of our youth with a sub standard coach.

Finances are not an excuse, they are a reality. You cant get blood out of a stone!!!

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Can we be just as polite as Cammo was on this site?

I only hope he's lost a lot of support for taking the soft option and not going to the ground to get signatures...

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Out of interest why has he made that decision? I haven't been following it on CSC.

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I find it hilarious that a still wet behind the ears 20 year old believes that he knows, from his far superior position, what is in the best interests of the club from all perspectives.

I suggest that Cammo probably hasn't had much experience running a $20 million turnover business, yet he professes to know what is best for it from a long term strategic position!!!!

What Cammo does know is that he is a passionate fan. Good on him for being passionate, and for getting the media attention. However, did he consider the downside of what he has commenced?

I think that there are a few slightly more experienced people both at the club and behind the scenes who will ensure that the right decisions are made for the long term viability and properity of the club.

One day Cammo may be a great leader, an insightful business man and a person who can offer great things to the Blues. However, i think that at present he has a great deal to learn and the club would be better served by him volunteering his skills to the club to assist it rather than creating divisions.

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Threatened violence.

Certainly don't advocate that, but it says something about their "market research". If that is what this is supposed to be, perhaps wording a little less emotive and devisive than "sackpagan.com" would have been more appropriate...

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Based on the past 5-10 years could you honestly say that you have faith in the people at the club to make the right decisions about the clubs future

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