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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:46 pm 
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molsey wrote:
I'm sure it will pop up in the Hartlett thread sooner or later...


Hey Molsey,
any chance of heading over to the Hartlett thread and letting us all know? ... :wink: ...should we be worried about his injuries or his attitude??


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Oops was getting abit frustrated there - didn't want to bring Harlett into this thread but my belief is that he won't make it. I am a useless recruiter though who thought Stinear and O'Keeffe would, and that Carrazzo wouldn't. So please disregard the comment...

What i was trying to say is that the list of up & comers is only one consideration in whether to trade Whitnall as a CHB. My contention is that the youngsters may come through, well, some will, but Carlton's decision to retain Whitnall in the absence of a ball tearing bid (ie a top 10 pick - whatever deemed 'absolutely birrliant' at the time) is based on his potential leadership ability, ability hold down CHB on current form, strong feelings for him in the outer (not necesarily held by some here) and the whole father/son - Carlton youngster - Carlton long-term player feeling.

my contention is that the Club is more focussed on that stuff than trading a guy who will in essence become our most senior player next year (IMHO). I dont think trading is amust, especially with this view, but of course if someone plonks Pick 8 on the table it may happen. I dont see the Club in its current guise as willing to make such trades.

This is not a right or wrong argument - its what I think the mindset of the Club currently is.

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The Tyrant wrote:
A first round pick SHOULD be a good player... a regular player. Some will be brilliant. If they're not good players, and there hasn't been an unpredictable influence like a massive injury, then someone at the club has failed.... either the development as a player or the recruiter.

Talent wise, yes a 1st rnd pick should be a good player.
When you're a teenager or in your early 20's, lots of different life situations can send you emotionally all over the place which can make things like playing football very unpredictable.

In saying that I still think we should bite the bullet & trade Lance if we're seriously intent on rebuilding for a crack at a flag in 3 or 4 years time. We've got some great young leaders already blossoming now which can carry us through.

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Cheers Molsey, sorry if you felt you'd been put 'under the pump'...


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budzy wrote:
Unfortunately you can't & won't ever predict life. Football is only ever A PART of a persons life. Many other things that can't be predicted can/will contribute to a footballers life that can/will affect there football performances.
Drafting players (even 1st rnd picks) will always contain a level of risk.

btw, I have full faith in Wayne, Paul :wink: & the rest of our recruiting team to make the right calls 8)


There's always an Enron or big company that can collapse out of the blue, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Now, of course a player could suffer a nervous breakdown that can't ever be predicted... and you have to wear than on the chin as an unpredictable element.

But people make a living EVERY DAY out of making good business decisions in uncertain markets. Some are better than others, but they all get judged the same.... if you were a shit stockbroker, you couldn't say "sorry, I didn't see all those loses coming" and get away with it, especially when you if you're building a reasonably safe portfolio.

A first round pick SHOULD be a good player... a regular player. Some will be brilliant. If they're not good players, and there hasn't been an unpredictable influence like a massive injury, then someone at the club has failed.... either the development as a player or the recruiter.

Not expecting great things from recruiters with great picks is a massive cop-out and something you wouldn't tolerate in business.


A lot of people make crap decisions in uncertain markets - that's a fact (unless you're name is Warren Buffet). History has shown our recruiting dept. has underperformed relative to other teams - still not convinced about the class of '04, '03 was a debacle. Fish was a great (if lucky) get in '02. How can we have confidence they can get it right.

KEEP LANCE AT CARLTON. HE IS A LEADER. KIDS LOOK UP TO HIM.

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Digressing...watched a bit of the Bendigo Bombers today and Courtney Dempsey was impressive..quick, uses the ball well and is Daniel Wells like..I would have done the Melbourne deal for Whitnall and picked Dempsey last draft....
That would have allowed us a tall with our first pick in the next draft...Hansen, Sellar or Leunberger for example....I would have been happy with that overall result...

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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Digressing...watched a bit of the Bendigo Bombers today and Courtney Dempsey was impressive..quick, uses the ball well and is Daniel Wells like..I would have done the Melbourne deal for Whitnall and picked Dempsey last draft....
That would have allowed us a tall with our first pick in the next draft...Hansen, Sellar or Leunberger for example....I would have been happy with that overall result...


I think we can get a Dempsey type this year with 3rd/4th round picks. Get a quality midfielder who wont take 4 years in the gym to be ready with the 2nd pick and best available with the first pick which might be Gibbs or a quality tall.

If the kids keep developing then I could very well see that as a strong possability. Cant see us avoiding the first 5 picks under any cirumstances and taking best available there. There are an abundance of runners for our 2nd round pick. A heap of skinny kids who will need a fair bit of development and will slide down the order to the 30/40s and we can nab 1 or 2 of them with our later picks.

Chris Schmidt
Shawn Colbung Jr
Ricky Petterd
Nick Smith
Matt Virgo
Gary Moss
Sam Fielding
Thomas Hislop
Albert Proud
Gavin Urquhart
Joel Selwood
Travis Boak
Jackson Sherringham
Zac Millar
Clayton Collard
Leroy Jetta
Bryce Gibbs

off the top of my head. Thats 17 midfielders.

More than half (at least) will be around for our 2nd round pick. 4 or 5 will be around for our 3rd round pick. Maybe 1 or 2 left by our 4th round pick.

There are another 10 or so who have something about them but I will wait until the U18s before seeing if they are worth it.

Just guessing though.


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oooh say 3 classy mids, two fast, 1 super fast and I'm as happy as a pig in shit

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dannyboy wrote:
oooh say 3 classy mids, two fast, 1 super fast and I'm as happy as a pig in shit


Hey Dannyboy, maybe we can trade Murphy, Kennedy and Lance to get some extra picks in your superdraft. That would make you happy now wouldn't it!

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now Barass to discuss means we must be mature - go stamp your feet somewhere else - I'm sure mummy will be home soon.

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mojo31 wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Digressing...watched a bit of the Bendigo Bombers today and Courtney Dempsey was impressive..quick, uses the ball well and is Daniel Wells like..I would have done the Melbourne deal for Whitnall and picked Dempsey last draft....
That would have allowed us a tall with our first pick in the next draft...Hansen, Sellar or Leunberger for example....I would have been happy with that overall result...


I think we can get a Dempsey type this year with 3rd/4th round picks. Get a quality midfielder who wont take 4 years in the gym to be ready with the 2nd pick and best available with the first pick which might be Gibbs or a quality tall.

If the kids keep developing then I could very well see that as a strong possability. Cant see us avoiding the first 5 picks under any cirumstances and taking best available there. There are an abundance of runners for our 2nd round pick. A heap of skinny kids who will need a fair bit of development and will slide down the order to the 30/40s and we can nab 1 or 2 of them with our later picks.

Chris Schmidt
Shawn Colbung Jr
Ricky Petterd
Nick Smith
Matt Virgo
Gary Moss
Sam Fielding
Thomas Hislop
Albert Proud
Gavin Urquhart
Joel Selwood
Travis Boak
Jackson Sherringham
Zac Millar
Clayton Collard
Leroy Jetta
Bryce Gibbs

off the top of my head. Thats 17 midfielders.

More than half (at least) will be around for our 2nd round pick. 4 or 5 will be around for our 3rd round pick. Maybe 1 or 2 left by our 4th round pick.

There are another 10 or so who have something about them but I will wait until the U18s before seeing if they are worth it.

Just guessing though.


Thanks for tha jimmae.... an interesting list of candidates...

WAIT!!! WAIT A MINUTE!!! THATS NOT JIMMAE!!!!!!!

welcome Mojo!!!!

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dannyboy wrote:
oooh say 3 classy mids, two fast, 1 super fast and I'm as happy as a pig in shit


COMPLETELY AGREE!!!

Gibbs as our Luke Hodge-esque midfield leader = first pick
One of Mojo's superquick list = second pick

With our elite full forward and elite CHB up and going, we don't need talls!

SORTED! HAND OVER THE PREMIERSHIP NOW!!

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The Tyrant wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
oooh say 3 classy mids, two fast, 1 super fast and I'm as happy as a pig in shit


COMPLETELY AGREE!!!

Gibbs as our Luke Hodge-esque midfield leader = first pick
One of Mojo's superquick list = second pick

With our elite full forward and elite CHB up and going, we don't need talls!

SORTED! HAND OVER THE PREMIERSHIP NOW!!


But who is the premiership coach?


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jbee wrote:
The Tyrant wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
oooh say 3 classy mids, two fast, 1 super fast and I'm as happy as a pig in shit


COMPLETELY AGREE!!!

Gibbs as our Luke Hodge-esque midfield leader = first pick
One of Mojo's superquick list = second pick

With our elite full forward and elite CHB up and going, we don't need talls!

SORTED! HAND OVER THE PREMIERSHIP NOW!!


But who is the premiership coach?


Grant Thomas... could be on the market at the end of the year :wink:


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The Tyrant wrote:
mojo31 wrote:
Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Digressing...watched a bit of the Bendigo Bombers today and Courtney Dempsey was impressive..quick, uses the ball well and is Daniel Wells like..I would have done the Melbourne deal for Whitnall and picked Dempsey last draft....
That would have allowed us a tall with our first pick in the next draft...Hansen, Sellar or Leunberger for example....I would have been happy with that overall result...


I think we can get a Dempsey type this year with 3rd/4th round picks. Get a quality midfielder who wont take 4 years in the gym to be ready with the 2nd pick and best available with the first pick which might be Gibbs or a quality tall.

If the kids keep developing then I could very well see that as a strong possability. Cant see us avoiding the first 5 picks under any cirumstances and taking best available there. There are an abundance of runners for our 2nd round pick. A heap of skinny kids who will need a fair bit of development and will slide down the order to the 30/40s and we can nab 1 or 2 of them with our later picks.

Chris Schmidt
Shawn Colbung Jr
Ricky Petterd
Nick Smith
Matt Virgo
Gary Moss
Sam Fielding
Thomas Hislop
Albert Proud
Gavin Urquhart
Joel Selwood
Travis Boak
Jackson Sherringham
Zac Millar
Clayton Collard
Leroy Jetta
Bryce Gibbs

off the top of my head. Thats 17 midfielders.

More than half (at least) will be around for our 2nd round pick. 4 or 5 will be around for our 3rd round pick. Maybe 1 or 2 left by our 4th round pick.

There are another 10 or so who have something about them but I will wait until the U18s before seeing if they are worth it.

Just guessing though.


Thanks for tha jimmae.... an interesting list of candidates...

WAIT!!! WAIT A MINUTE!!! THATS NOT JIMMAE!!!!!!!

welcome Mojo!!!!


Looks my reasons for joining over here have been busted now.

Maybe (no names mentioned) will stop the copy and paste and adding to what I say and making it seem its what I said. Then sending me a pm or email asking me why I compared a player to another when I did not.

Finally I have realized whats going on. The only site I am not a member of is what is causing the problem. So I thought I would join here.

Its a bit painful to read the recruiting part of this site which I did for a bit last night. I felt like slapping myself across the face with some of my opinions. But then I realized some of them were not mine at all.
Might have had my username attached to them but I cant help that sort of stuff in the cyber world.


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mojo31 wrote:
Looks my reasons for joining over here have been busted now.

Maybe (no names mentioned) will stop the copy and paste and adding to what I say and making it seem its what I said. Then sending me a pm or email asking me why I compared a player to another when I did not.

Finally I have realized whats going on. The only site I am not a member of is what is causing the problem. So I thought I would join here.

Its a bit painful to read the recruiting part of this site which I did for a bit last night. I felt like slapping myself across the face with some of my opinions. But then I realized some of them were not mine at all.
Might have had my username attached to them but I cant help that sort of stuff in the cyber world.


thats alright mate... if its any consolation no one really reads those opinions of "yours" anyway :wink:

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welcome aboard, missed reading your stuff (don't visit the other sites anymore).

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I appreciate you coming on board here mojo, but I do not appreciate the insinuation that I attributed comments of my own to you, that was a complete mix up by whoever passed that onto you, or vice versa.

As for Tyrant, my number one fan, please drop it mate, I'm so tired of getting into mud-flinging on some of the most anal points in the history of internet forum discussion. I'm not here to automatically contradict anyone who isn't in line with my thinking.

So please, don't quote this, don't try to discredit this, you've had your opportunity to be an e-thug towards me in this thread, it's only fair you get a little dished up back to you.


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Not so elite this afternoon.

Oh, and the internet's only purpose is for "debate" apparently jimmae.


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