Has any coach who has ever been sacked wanted to be sacked???
If they wanted to be sacked ... theyre nuts.. cos they can resign...

But alot of coaches have been sacked havent they????

and alot have resigned...

Whats so hard about adding one more to that mountain of names???


One way or the other.....

(alot of coaches who have resigned have really been sacked ) shhhhhhhhhhhhh.......

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That's why I admire him, there's certainly no illogical moves made by the bloke either.

But I do agree that if there isn't any input by the board in the choice in assistant that there needs to be, if only to question "Why not SOS, or Ratts" etc. SOS would be a valued addition to the club.

I'm sorry, but this team and this Club will not progress / dig itself out of its current hole while Pagan is coach! And this relates to not just our on field issues, but our very obvoius off-field issues as well.

Simple as that!

I'm not saying we should sack him, but I am pointing out what is an obvious, fundamental truth related to the current state of the Carlton Football Club.

Now here's a challenge to you all...

If you dont agree with my point of view, don't attack me personally in responding to this post (although I'll take it on the chin in any PMs you want to send me!). Feel free to point out how we will ever move on from this very dark place under the current tutorlidge.


Rich

As I have stated before, our club only starts to improve in the post Pagan period..

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Any suggestions on the coach who could do a better job with the list we've got??

Get rid of Pagan? I totally agree. In fact I'm willing to guarantee that as soon as we get rid of Pagan this will happen overnight:

-Jarrad Waite will turn into Pavlich
-Thornton will turn into Mal Michaels
-Bentick will turn into Sam Mitchell
-Wiggins will turn into Akermanis
-Kennedy will turn into Warren Tredrea
-Sporn will turn into Simon Black
-Marc Murphy will turn into Ben Cousins
- Andrew Walker will turn into Superman Andrew Walker able to hit a target from 60 meters, take a speccie like Gary Ablett and run through the midfield like the wind.

Its pants deano supremo... its been raining for two days, the soccer finished for this season (well till the WC of course), and carlton keep on getting thumped...just my luck the blues will be the game of the week over here on Sky....hummm

Sheedy:



You can have a go at him but his team had a go against West Coast. They actually lead for part of the game. Does anyone think Pagan has the confidence to let our players take on another team?

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yeah.. and you know what else???

that coach will find shitkickers to become taggers like baker...

and he will allow the good players like walker to be the creative matchwinners.

see how other clubs use their ugly footballers to be their stoppers (read baker) and they have their good footballers to be their creative players.. (read dal santo) and they get developed for what they are not what the coach wishes them to be????

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Watching the presser last night, he certainly didn't look very healthy.

They will play football better as a TEAM, which is the crux of the problem, means a much better work output. Then some wins will comes and some of these guys will get some confidence and as a consequence develop as a group. All those guys above started somewhere too and develop.

So this is what it comes down to?

Pagan will die of old age before we can afford to move him on!

Ross Lyon (assistant at the Swans) is a candidate. Was apparently very highly regarded during his time at Carlton.

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I have a cousin who is a top cardiologist - maybe we can arrange a convenient Heart Problem a la Ian Stewart.

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The modern day heart probelm will not work... Refer to Ventracor (VCR), i'm sure Pagan might have shares... I do....

It needs to be more serious, maybe alzimers ( sorry about spelling ).... Could explain a few things..

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Really???Who is your cousin???
and thanx for the mail... ill pass it on this week.

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Dam this thread got some legs .......

Anyway havnt read all the latest posts but there was a mix on people for and against.

For what its worth removing DP in one hit without having any options in the club except Barry Mitchell would not help him much either and especially when he is commited to the Bullants.

The better approach would be perhaps to look at the Assistants and i have been a little more critical of Libba and Trout and they have been my major worry. TD and GD seem to be okay but Libba and Trout to me are the vulnrable options and perhaps the board keeps DP for time being but forces the assistants to go as maybe the board goes to the DP and says there is unrest and people want your head ... we dont want you gone but believe that Trout and Libba going may relieve pressure on you and we can put some people that appease the Supporters and members.

Where they change s maybe in targeting Dean who i believe would be great to come back into the fold.
the other suggestion is Ratten bring him back to the fold heard he did good things for the demons in the short stint.
Why these 2 - recent Ex - players / highly resepcted by the club for past contributions would also help with change needed in the assistant Coaching area.
What affect well would make Pagan realise that the something got to give. Safty net should DP decide he has had enough we have someone to be care taker between Ratten / Dean or Mitch and then if mitch is given the senior coaching dean could take on the Bullants.
This allows for back up if DP goes.. or the new assistants bring good changes and DP adapts better and we have more spark from the coaching changes..Also removing Libba and trout wont cost nearly as much as DP as they i belive are on one year contracts and no where near the amount of DP.
Perhaps its easy to target the 2 Side kicks than the big fish it may provide a positive change in his coaching or pressure him out but at same time we have some safty nets in place..Remove DP and prob LIbba and Trout will follwo in one hit mid season would cause major disruptions and force us to maybe make rash decisions to put an alternative in place.
Suggest easie target the Assistants most likely Trout and Libba

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Libber and Trout are dead oin the water.. they got a one year extension..Denis will REALLY have to turn up the waterworks to save them this time...

the problem is we went another year with them.. so apart from Libba helping Eddie.. we wasted a year with them....

Just another soft option taken by the board

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Well i reckon easier removing those 2 mid stream than removing DP and if there was ever a time to remove them to appease supporters make the board look like being proactive and put in place backups should other changes happen later in the year it would be now.

Remove libba and trout now and cost is lower / you put in 2 genuine blues people who had there whole career at the blues and both highly respected. Puts pressure for DP to perform without relying on Trout and hopefully instills some skills that we need in the midfiled from Ratten and the backline with Dean.

I dont even know what Trout does never hear from him actually dont hear much from Libba these days either so going by that you wouldnt miss em but you would certainly notice Ratten and Dean coming on board.

As for choice of Dean and Ratten i dont know who else is out there either ex - blue or even other option coaching out side of the AFL who would be good to look at as alternatives

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Trout talks to the defenders (in the breaks) & I presume works with them during the week.

Libba does the midfield & is very good at throwing the ball up when they do their drills in the warm up!