In terms of player development Pagan had failed to deliver, hence the state we are in now. He should have recognisd the skill deficiencies back when he took over the reigns and did something about it. It was so obvious in the training ssessions I attended that the players were not up to AFL standard with skill errors a common feature.

As for having Pagan coach another year, I would accept it if he was the best available. Would love to see Blight coach us but when I hear the likes of Mitchell as a possible repalcement, I get panic attacks and an onslaught of skin rashes.

Youd prefer Blight or Pagan over Michell??

why????

Cos he isnt as big name??

Or is it something you have seen in Mitchell?

Personally, i cant see any one person other than BM to take over...(not Blue MArk , no)


Pagan recruted a backline.. he got us Teague.. Mighty Mick Martin and Jason Saddington... T Bird was already doing ok.. we got an AA hbf in 1AW.. and we can play Russell back there.. or Simmo.. or Carrots...


What are you talking about we dont need to get rid of Denis... we need a backline???

We had good players here but young in defence... Livo and T Bird were doing ok before he came as first AFL season players...
We drafted a couple more kids...

And he recruited Mighty Mick.. Saddo and Teaguey... also Diggers...(at a pinch can play back there)..

what more defensive recruiting can we do???


Also i know we need a ruckman.. we had Lindsay that he didnt like.. but he has brought in Barnaby.. Mott.. Deluca.. Bryan.. McLaren.. and the ones from left field Aisake and Batson...

Surely somethings clicked into place???

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The problem is well and truly Pagan. Surely now, after all these years it's so clear even blind Freddie can see it. How many more embarrassments do you need. Bottom line is the players need to play with passion and commitment for the coach to be successful, something that simply doesn't happen under Pagan. Without it you can recruit whoever you like, Judd, included, and we'll keep losing. No committment, no wins.

We do not need another experiment, particularly at this stage with Mitchell taking over. If he is the best alternative we can come up with then Pagan should get a reprieve for our lack of progress. Blight has a proven record of getting the best out of his players and making the hard decisions against vested interests. At Adelaide he got rid of Andrew Jarman and McDermott which just does not happen at clubs and turned an averege list into a premiership teamt. Mitchell has done nothing to demonstrate to me he should take over the most difficult job in the AFL.

Coonundrum... what can i say.. youre right!!!!

Blighty it is then!!!.. if we cant get Blight we should keep Denis...


Not sure what got into me...

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You know what the problem is with the game plan? It is @#$%&! boring to watch. Have a listen to Kevin Sheedy's press conference today.

At least if we get thumped playing man on man and attacking football we might actually score more than 4 goals in a game.

Playing man on man and attacking football will do alot more for the development of our players than this crap we play now.

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[quote="mjonc"][quote="Conundrum"]I don't quite understand supporters criticism of Pagan's game plan. It did not cost us the game. Whether we played Pagan's paddock or a short chipping game we still would have got smashed. Those of you with the belief playing man on man would make a difference are oversimplying the gravity of our deficiencies..[/quote]

You know what the problem is with the game plan? It is F@%&#! boring to watch. Have a listen to Kevin Sheedy's press conference today.

At least if we get thumped playing man on man and attacking football we might actually score more than 4 goals in a game.

Playing man on man and attacking football will do alot more for the development of our players than this crap we play now.[/quote]


Couldn't have said it better myself.

We have all had to put up with some ordinary shit over the last 5 years but today I strugglesd to stay to half time...so I didn't.

Loosing is bad but if we play kids and try something different (like man on man) it might just showcase our position a little better. We'll probably still loose most games but at least we'll see what we have to offer.

Can anyone who is across in the quite the more superior state of Melbourne (sic), and was at training last week, tell me who inspired the drill's entitled;

A) Fumble the pill
B) Give the cowskin to the mate in a saints jumper
C) Apply no pressure
D) Be happy with the scoreline whatever it is

A really disappointing outing - no real highlights apart from Fev presenting and converting under half of his shots, but more than half, nearly all score of the TEAM WE LOVE...greedy bugger...

Here's to next week, lad's and ladesses...!??!?!?!??!?!

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No one ever said we would have won. All I want is for EACH player in the forward line to have the chance to beat their opponent in a ONE ON ONE CONTEST. I didn't expect a win today. All I want is for our forwards to be given a chance.

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i think what our kids lack is firstly some guidance from our leadership group.

kouta on his form should be dropped (fk it is killing me to say it) and so should matty lappin.

both are doing nothing at all except perhaps adding more pressure to the poor kids.

Another thing is denis needs to back these kids and try get them finding the footy.
We lost by 92 points playing a negative brand of football where we chased shadows all day.

how are the kids going to learn from that?

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To make matters more depressing we have the Crows on the rebound next week at AAMI Stadium. It's going to get uglier unfortunately. Brace yourselves everybody because a 100+ point loss is on the cards.

Just as well the World Cup is coming up so at least I can shut off from this rubbish for a month.

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Said in the press conference last week that despite the win we were likely to have more bad losses (re-stated that today).

Also said he was happy with Lappin's game which was a big improvement on his last few weeks.

Where was Houla? Only 10 possessions

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Tagged. Pagan said he'd been pretty good until today.

Also Thomas paid tribute to Thompson & Baker for minimising the influence of Houla & Stevens today as he rates them as being our most influential midfielders (unlike a few around here).

What he said was :

[quote]“We're pleading with our supporters for another chance - we've got an opportunity in the next two weeks to turn it around and get right for the first round.â€

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I think in terms of development our team would have to be the equivalent of Hawthorn last year. A large number of raw young fellas on a steep learning curve.

Clarkson had those kids last year playing daring, flamboyant, back-yourself, aim for the stars footy. Sure, they only won five games, but they are a much more confident and switched on side this year, because they no what it takes to win and aim to do that every week. They still have pretty crap disposal and inexperience still costs them, but when a game is there to be won they will still give it a shake.

It worries me that our kids are not being shcooled in what it takes to win games of footy. They only way they will learn how to play attacking, match-winning footy is by watching their opposition!

Have to disagree there Ponky, Clarkson had Hawthorn playing the chip it around gameplan more than most sides last year. They were not direct at all.

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Jar I'm not saying they played champagne footy (or even that they were direct) but more that they seemed to go out there and play to win every game. It seems our guys lack belief that they can win, and so as soon as that looks like a possibility they shut up shop.

No more recycled players but Bannister has copped a raw deal at this club.Hasnt been the worst and is 10 times a better one on one mark than Saddington will ever be.Bannister plays 2 games in the seniors plays ordinary in the second half against the pies like everybody else but is the wipping boy once again.

If Saddington is dropped(lets flower hope so) you have to replace him with someone else and its either Teague,Bannister or even Flint.

Blue world Bannister is a recycled player.I know.Wasnt born in the last shower.I reckon if he has time to settle could become a reasonable defender and would certaintly provide better run than Saddington.


Bannister is still young and deserves another chance.If Saddington and Deluca play against the crows I will not watch the game.

Of the legions of recycled footballers we went after,you can only keep 3.
scotland, bannister and mcgrath... and maybe mclaren but he makes little difference more as a back up...we almost had knobel too.... thank you AFL!!

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