BB 2003 2004 2005 2006 formerly 2002.. i think if Stevens is captain he will not be worse than Kouta.. so we havent lost and we may have gained.. but when he takes over we will know for sure..

does that answer your question???


And look if they ask i can still call the toss of the coin for them.. ok??

I keep saying.. we have to forget about what we have now and look at what will be here in 3/4 years....

Youre not going anywhere now....

You cant possibly be thinking about next years captain when we havent had one since sticks!!!

What youre trying to do is create a new group of leaders into the future... uncorrupted by all the vices that have killed us.. INCLUDING LAZINESS!!!!...

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IMO don't trade any picks for the the next three years (even #52 for a reject Sydney hack). Lets build our own over a period of time.

That said I agree with those saying we should trade Whitnall but only if it is for a pick inside 20. Otherwise no way.

Hypothetically, if WCE fall at the final hurdle again this year I would be more than prepared to do a trade like this:

Fev to WCE for Danial Kerr and thier first round pick (say 14 or 15). Kerr gives us exactly what we need; a hard, tough mid-fielder with pace.

There is no way you would get 2 FRP for Fev in 2006's draft but with a midfield like WCE have they would be mad not to consider it. It might be their ticket to 1 or 2 premierships.

I realise that getting rid of your best and most marketable player is a tough call but lets face it we ar going no-where for at least 3 years. It is no different to Barry Hall being traded to Sydney by the Saints. In the long run both parties can win out.

And there we have a BINGO - and after today's effort I dont really have a problem with that.

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KERMIT but why pick number 20???

Whats the significance of number 20 and not 19 or 22???

what if this years #24 is better than last years pick #10???

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Synbad - I said inside 20. You are correct 20 is totally arbtrary on my part. If the club thinks he's value at say 24 then they won't get much of an arguement from me.

I guess the point is that we shouldn't just accept anythig. Also, we can get maximum bang for our buck with Fev as opposed to Lance. But either way we do need to bite the bullet and trade with some forward thinking perspective.

We jsut don't have that much currencey in that Department.

Hi there, some good discussion here. I, like everyone, am disappointed in the scoreline. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately ), I'm living in the UK at the moment so I cant get to games and see the debarcle.

FWIW, in regards to the list, essentially everyone is tradable as everyone has a 'price'. Even Murphy has a price! ie. if someone were to offer pick 1 & 2 then yes. It wont happen but just an example to highlight that there are no untradables on the list.

Having said that what we have to now establish a current 'price' for the players that we would trade. There's no point saying I would or wouldn't trade player x because he is a leader, or too old or whatever reason. So I think that the debate we should be having is to evaluate the value of player x (lets say lance) to the team. I think Synbad values him at pick 20-24 (IIRC), I would value him a bit higher, maybe at 15. I suppose it's just a cost benifit analysis and everyone will have their opinions on what a player is worth.

The club will do this when it comes to trade time. I'm sure its what happened last year when Fev and Lance were on the table. We obviously felt they were worth more than what was offered. This is a prudent approach and one that should continue. There's no point getting emotional about these things, you just evaluate any offer in terms of these criteria.

Also, I don't think that we should shop our best players around simply because that will devalue them and decrease what we might get for them. We just say that everyone is available come trade time and let offers (if any) come in. However, with our marginal/fringe players I think we should shop them quite aggressively to try and get some return instead of just dumping them.

For instance, I think that we can offload some fringe players or reasonable players to improve our draft position. For instance, offer Houlihan/Sporn etc and our third round (say 34) for a second round (say 24) - (just an example). Therefore, we improve our draft position and can clear the cupboards a bit. Even if we get a pick 50 down to say 40 then it is worthwhile I think. This strategy will proabably be easier to sell to the opposition club as they are not loosing a pick but just steppinng down a few places in the draft order.

Cheers K

Remember, we are all keen blues fans and just want the best for our club. Everyone has different ideas how this will be achieved.

Well said Kermit i would think that would be a lot more palatable than Synbads pick 24 or whatever i can get trade for Lance.

If you could get a kerr and a Pick 15 - 25 that would be a much better option and would have to be considered. But i dont agree to trade him for any pick as some have suggested.

Thats a compromise and i agree Kerr would be a good option for the Blues which is weak in the Midfield gets up a late 1st or early 2nd rounder and brings in a player who is decent not some average player who we are ready to delist after 8 rounds

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If you have a leg of ham... and you know it can go off in a week... well it only has currency for a week.

If you tried to sell it in 4 weeks.. its not deemed as worth anything so it has no currency....

If our recruiters tell us they rate till number 30 pretty highly... id trade for as much as i can inside that....

If they said we rate 10 highly and 10 so so... and was given pick 21 i wouldnt go for it...



Thats how i would attack the end of season..

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finally someone understands the reasons for considering a fev trade

But whats more pallatable to you is less logical .....

Off to magic mushy city for you too...

Kerr and a first or second rounder in the best draft of all time...
Kerr isnt a bad footballer you know???

Not that i wouldnt go for that deal... but its highly unrealistic for Lance though isnt it????

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Kermit i'm confused you said you'd trade Lance then go on and talk about Fev to the Weagles... What the ..?? Would the Weagles take Lance.

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The hypothetical example was based on trding Fev not lance. There is no way Lance would attract that sort of deal from WCE Lets not forget the Kerr was second in the medal last year.

Lance is a seperate deal with anybody for a decent pick. As Synbad correctly points out the shelf life and expirary of Lance will be just as obvious to other clubs as it is to us.

Fev = premierships for WCE IMO.

Lance could be a decent pick up for some clubs (Sydney, Dogs, Melbourne to name a few) but not at any stupid price.

Oh its changed to Fev now....

i was confused too..

Lets keep Lance and trade Fev... for the crowd drawing and profile ....

Fev gives us balance.... he is our franchise player.. as the Americans call them... (Other clubs have 5 Franchise players) he maintains interest in this footy club till other kids come through...he also wins some games off his own boot... kids like that.... i had to change my God daughter from a Kangaroo supporter (cos kangaroos are cute- anyway i had to tell her the colour blue matches her eyes better than a kangaroo and kangaroos stink)...and Lance doesnt attract the younger generation of supporters whos parents have fallen of the club over 5 years like her father has...

Shes 5 and she sings Lily of Laguna... but she knows Andrew Walkers name and has number 1 on her back... and she knows Fev... and Murph and Eddie....she wants Lance traded too....

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You havnt answered several questions Synbad

Do you go to the matches and see what players do outside the TV Screen ?

Do you consider Lance to be worth a high draft pick if so then he must have some attributes

if you continue to peddle the line he is fat slow lazy no leadership ... waste of space ect then what makes you think he is going to get a top 20 let alone top 40 pick.

If you take the angle outside of your opinion of Lance and look to what we may get in a trade / Draft combination IE Eagles will finish 1 or 2 they have deficiencies in Back or forward line more forward but an abundance of Midfielders. Then possibly one of there Midfielders maybe give up such as Kerr and maybe a second rounder pick 34 or if they trade lower but a second rounder from a team looking at Lance on its own not a chance.

Be realistic and depending on what you consider Lance to be he is either a player worth a pick or a hack ... which is it if he is a hack as you say he aint gonna get the pick you want..

As for not having a position well thats the list and coaches problem as he is shuffled around the field filling gaps and we cannot afford to have in a set position.. thats called versatlity not having no position.

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synbad, under what circumstances would you trade Fev? assuming that his form etc continues as is.

K

Thats clears up heaps. Lets Trade Fev and then watch the Carrara Northern Blues take us to our next premiership.

Kermit mate how..... No offence mate but anyone who talks about trading Fev IMO can't see the true value of Fev to the CFC. He is at the moment the only real positive that we have win lose or draw, or for that matter anytime he gets any media publicity it is good for us. We can not trade Fev, but if needed we could trade Lance. Refer to my origianl opoeniong post re my assessment. But Fev ................. Noooooooooooooooo....

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Read my post. I talk about Lance then put a full stop new para. That means I am moving onto a new point.

I didn't realise you couldn't raise multiple points in threads.

Fev is a big call. I said that too. But we have to take a 3 year perspective and it has to be done with draft picks and some clever insiteful trading.

Sure people will disagree with Fev going (as I will be). But truthfully we are going nowhere in the next 3 years with or without him. The players we get with Fev are likely to make an impact beyond the 3 years.

We are all saying the same thing. We jsut have different views on how to go about it.

Wolfe i know you find tings teribly hard to comprehend.

There short of it is Lance is not what we need.
He is not a real leader.
He has a limited shelf life.
Id take what i can while i can.. its like stocks.. you have to know when to cash in...

Im not sure why you dont get it....

Lance has shown something to someone else like J Hay.. Thompson and Rawlings did... someones been tricked 3 times.. we just need someone to get tricked too.. Lance form is helping us to get into a position where we....


You got to know when to hold 'em,
know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away and know when to run
You never count your money,
when you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin',
when the dealin's done
Every gambler knows that the secret to survive is
Knowing what to throw away and knowing what to keep
'Cos every hand's a winner and every hand's a loser



We have to take gamble get out of this....its just not going to just happ-en by taking all the soft safe options...


Any more questions????

If there are just go listen to Kenny Rogers....

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of course we can trade Fev, it's just dependent on what we're offered. Say WCE offered Judd and their first round pick. It wont happen I know, but even Fev has a price that the club will trade him for

Cheers
K

It semi answers your opinion of Lance but then the value you place on him is get anything for him and unfortunately a 2nd or 3rd rounder is possibly not something that would sit well with club / supporters or whatever.. if you could get a player a nd 2nd rounder then for sure see compromise .... If you want to talk about the draft having a strong top 10 where does Lance get us into that.. if you start looking at picks 20 - 40 and a pick at that... judging from what i can see that garantess very little and if they turn out average you have just added another average player in the place of a player who was doing something and adding something.

ALso you still havnt answered do you attend any games or just sit in the armchair ????

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