And you would be more credible if you didnt snipe people all the time Synbad i havnt had a shot at you personally or suggested you have a sleep and think everything will fix and realise you have wet yer bed or listen to james last ...... cut out the snipes i know its a standard response when you end up insulting people all the time

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You want guarantees???If you want guarantees go become a banker...!!!1

The rest of life is about making choices from experience....


Will you guarantee that LAnce will be a good player (like today) for the next 12 years????

Because thats what the upside to a trade is....


Guarantees????

Mate youre right out there arent you???
Oh and Wofe??? youve probably been to more games and practice sessions .. know more people around the club than me...

Is that what you think????

I dont go to every game... because sometimes i cant go for a variety of reasons...

But i go to more than my fair share...

where do you watch EVERY game from???

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Also Einstein.... are you trying to tell me that there is something hidden youd see at a game but you wouldnt see if you didnt go???

Is there something fantastic that people see at the game that they might have otherwise missed on the telly from todays game???

Whats your point???

Whats so obvious about what i may or may not have missed about Lance today thats going to save us according to you.

spit it out!!!..

cmon!!!

What did you see???

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[quote="Tractor Boy"][quote="KERMIT"]The hypothetical example was based on trding Fev not lance. There is no way Lance would attract that sort of deal from WCE Lets not forget the Kerr was second in the medal last year.

Lance is a seperate deal with anybody for a decent pick. As Synbad correctly points out the shelf life and expirary of Lance will be just as obvious to other clubs as it is to us.

Fev = premierships for WCE IMO.

Lance could be a decent pick up for some clubs (Sydney, Dogs, Melbourne to name a few) but not at any stupid price.[/quote]

Thats clears up heaps. Lets Trade Fev and then watch the Carrara Northern Blues take us to our next premiership.

Kermit mate how..... No offence mate but anyone who talks about trading Fev IMO can't see the true value of Fev to the CFC. He is at the moment the only real positive that we have win lose or draw, or for that matter anytime he gets any media publicity it is good for us. We can not trade Fev, but if needed we could trade Lance. Refer to my origianl opoeniong post re my assessment. But Fev ................. Noooooooooooooooo....
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Or lets keep Fev and everything will be alright.

How many people went home today with a warm feeling about the game because no matter how bad we are or will be not to worry we have Fev. I know I didn't. By the time we are in a position to exploit Fev he will be on his last legs.

I would do the Kerr/ 1st round pick for sure unless we get a better offer from say the Dogs or Adelaide or anyone.

If we don't start proactivley moving on these things there won't be anyone at our games in 3 years.

ID trade Fev for a player that is more effective than Fev.. probably about 10 players in the league currently.. or a number 1 to 5 pick...but that wont happen.. Essendon*.. Port.. North .. Brissy dont need Fev...

Plus he is worth publicity... hes 2 pronged .. one hand he is our best player.. on the other.. he brings people in the gates and he has people talking about us...

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KERMIT.. ask how many people went home and thought...Fev is only shining light and some kids....

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Snipe???You call that a snipe???



Listen mate... do you realise how shithouse it is for me to have to get back to a million dumb questions.. from the army of trippers out there ????

and make no mistake theyre dumb questions...!!!...


You answer what you saw today that someone would not have felt if they stayed home today... something about why Lance is so important to the club....

Did he dominate did he???

Did he stop the rot???

What happened????????????!?!?!?!?




The world is fluid.. you must adapt to it as situations arise...

How did Lance adapt to what was thrown out there that someone sitting at home wouldnt have picked up on but you did... that proves you cant trade Lance and he is so important to this team over 12 years that we dont need a pick???

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Synbad there were probably some but there were also people at St Kilda who didn't wat to trade Locket or Hall at the time.

I'm not saying trade him at any price but lets not say never under any circumstances either. We need midfielders badly and if we can pick up a quality player (e.g. Kerr and a reasonable drft pick) we need to carefully consider it.

Otherwise we will be watching Fev battle it out in a useless team for many yaers to come.

The difference with Hall and Lockett is they were leaving....

Fev is happy here... probably wouldnt move to WA...

We do need midfielders.. but dont worry ... wed only end up playing them like defenders...

And we could have had Power last year..... you have to pay $ to get...

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Whats the point in trading Fev?

He has had 4 years under Pagan with a sub standard midfield feeding him. In that time he has aaveraged just over 3 goals a game at full forward. He has improved his second efforts and work rate and is learning to curb his frustrations.

He is representing rthe club well off the filed. He is signed up until the end of 2008. He turned 25 this year and has had 1 groin injury and thats it for his whole career. Basically played full forward the whole time and has no wear and tear on his body. Only just learning how to prepare 100% for games and recover. Is getting a lot smarter with what he is doing and is not a lead and mark player now.

Most likely with all that he will play 5 more years after this one and most likely a couple more than that.

He gives us genuine star power on and off the field. A bloke with some charisma who we can use to promote the club. If he was not going to crack the sads today then he wont be doing it all year. Can you imagine what it was like for him to watch that at full forward and be so helpless?

I am sure he would have wanted to come in off the square and knock a few blokes over. But he controlled himself and fought it out. The crowd all knew it and at the end of the game he would have as well. Fighting aginst 2 or 3 opponents.

This was ugly ugly football today and we were gone after about 2 contestes with how hard the Saints were hitting in. We had no intensity from the start and did not come to play.

Fev abd his worth to our club even in this superdraft is a pick inside the top 10 at a bare minimum. For us who are getting a pick in the first 3 at least I would want pick 5 and 15 for Fev right now to consider it.

Or hand over a good young player and give us a top 10 pick as well. Meesen/Fabian Deluca plus pick 10 to solve the ruck problem might be another consideration.

Thats all i wanted to hear ... i havnt said i go to every prcatise game or training sessions i rely on those who post reports i know some people prob no more or less than yerself and do try and go to as many games as i can usually from the wing

Anyway i doubt the club will listen to much of anything we say its just supporters opinions and on the Lance front being realistic not what i or you think..
The Club wont trade Lance for a 2nd rounder end of story regardless if you think its right or not wont happen. If it was a player and pick that was a valued option for the blues maybe entertained. if it was a first rounder again maybe entertained but if you say no-one will give up a high draft pick in the super draft then just wont happen. If you know anything about the CFC history of trading then Lance is very unlikely to be traded if so will be only for a player and draft or a high draft pic other wise wont happen
So i guess in the end being realistic that would be the most likely outcome

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I think the thing is Wolfe when someone asks me I always say what I think they are worth as in a realistic value. I never really see the point in doing a trade for that anyway. Why trade a bloke who we have no replacement for at the moment for his value?
Make a club pay over that and you consider it.

To me Lance on current form is worth pick 15 in a normal draft. Pick 25 in the superdraft is the same as that. So to me anything under pick 25 is starting to get close to consideration.
Pick 10 I would definitely trade him. Pick 15 I would just about do it. Pick 20 I would not.

Pick 10 in 2006 > pick 2 in 2005.
pick 15 in 2006 = pick 2 in 2005.
pick 20 in 2006 = pick 5 in 2005.
pick 25 in 2006 = pick 10 in 2005 (= pick 15 in a normal draft. Shows the 2005 draft was weakish)

around about my best guess at this stage.

funny that - I was very clear in stating that I would be demanding a top 6 + another 1st round pick for Fev - not that far off what you would find acceptable.

I think many (not you specifically mojo) seem to react to any suggestions of trading Fev as a suggestion to trade Fev at all costs - I dont think anyone has suggested that. Fev has definitely stepped up and shown a level of consistency that I had previously stated he would not achieve unless he received a second kick in the pants ie traded (the first being brittain stating that his career at the blues was over) - perhaps being 'shopped around' last year provided that.

As good as fev is atm we can live without him if it means we can advance our rebuilding by a yr or two - that is something that I think is achievable through the extra picks in this years draft. At this stage we simply cant afford to not push our rebuilding timeframe forward due to our declinging membership, crowds and sponsorship.

Not sure what your post means.

I just started mine with a lot of questions and tried to answer them fairly concisely. I just logged on and have no idea what anyone has said on the topic as I joined this site today and like I said just posted about this topic.

So you could have written just about anything and I would have no idea. I usually state my opinions and try and not talk in absolutes. Thats why I put a few numbers next to where my yes/no and grey areas are.

Everyone is tradeable. But to us Fev is worth more than realistic value for the reasons I mentioned. Fev will help with our rebuild more than a decent trade will. Pick 10 for Fev which is about his realistic worth is far less than what we need for him. 5 + 15 is what I would want to do it.

Anyway thats my thoughts on it.

mojo - my initial comment wasnt at you - I posted my initial thoughts on potential list changes and mentioned Fev as a contentious one that I would consider (4th post on this thread). The initial response to the proposal was that I've had a few too many shrooms (synbad) and that I tend to have fits of silliness when posting (your mate Jimmae ). Given that your thoughts are generally very well respected (particularly Jimmae who seems to take it as gospel on ocassion) I thought it funny that what I suggested was pretty much identical to what you would want in order for you to consider a trade for Fev. Have included my initial thoughts again so you dont have to look back for them.

GIBBS TO FEVOLA ..... GOAL!

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Carrazzo and Bentick were rookie listed players. Whilst i'd love to see them make the grade it doesn't look like they will. It is noticeable when we play some decent opposition they struggle badly. Their skills are average and their pace is pedestrian.

By the way this myth of us being a young side? Where ? I'd class only 5 as genuinely "young" - Walker, Betts Murphy, Kennedy & Blackwell.

No seriously....it's a great idea to trade fev....awesome idea....trade our only forward so eventually when we do have a midfield capable of delivering quality ball, we have no one to kick it to....its a brilliant idea...

and while we are at it, the only guy who has stood up in defence all year, who some idiots call "positionless" or i like to refer to as capable of playing multiple positions, lets trade him too, and leave our defence with just thornton who is already out of his depth as number 2 defender to take the number one forward....great logic....yep trade lance, he's crap, trade fev for a midfield so they can get it and kick it to??????????

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And trade Stevens so guys like Baker can tag Simpson or Murphy!!!

5 out of 22 is still young Rod.

Not sure what is happening with Carrazzo. Last year he was picked to play on the fastest opponents like Williams and Farmer. This year he chases from the bench. Who can tell whats going on?

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