I have been living in hope of this guy leading our youthful midfield, however week after week he is getting cleaned up. This week Baker's 1 st quarter, 10 possie and two goal's. Who ever plays on Steven each week hurts us.

38 and 54?

A trade couldn't be negotiated three years ago when he was playing in a top side and looked pretty good.

How on earth is a trade ever going to be organised with anyone at the moment . Not just Stevens

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No club will give away a first round draft pick this year. Its been reported that there are atleast 8-10 players better than Marc Murphy in this years draft.

What we need is some support for Stevens, not to offload him. Trade him, and who does Baker play on next time - Murphy!

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I agree with NBH. Stevens is a better player than Chad Fletcher who keeps getting named as an all-Australian on the back of getting to play alongside of Judd, Cousins, Kerr and Embley.

There are very few players who can overcome the tag of Steven Baker. Without support, it's almost impossible.

its simple

trade Stevens for Baker

Baker is a better player, right? because he beat him??

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Baker, Crowley.... Stevens cannot shut his taggers down and then they go on and kick 2-3 goals a game on him - an egative rate of return from Stevens i'd think.

Do you think for 1 minute that if Stevo had some support it might actually put some pressure on the opposition for a few mini-seconds. Instead of saying...'shut down steveo shut down Carlton'.....if we had some other onballers capable of a 4 quarter sustained effort it might give the opposition something to think about.

While Steveo is busting a nut trying to run off and create by linking up with a team-mate, invariably it gets turned over and as a result Steveo gets caught out.

We are playing so poorly most opponents fully expect us to cough it up going forward and they have already peeled off out the back to take the rebounding ball.

That is life at the moment. Supporters want us to run and run and run to create but when the ball goes back over our head due to a poor disposal across HF then we are simply f*&%# because everyone is out of position.

Our team is badly lacking skills and some real footy smarts. We have 3 or 4 footy smart players and the rest have no idea when to make position.

For pure reading of the play and overall footy smarts Marc Murphy has already lept into 2nd place behind Whits.

Regards Cazzesman

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The thing that punishes Stevens is that he is ALWAYS taking the best tagger in the opposition and there are no other midfielders capable of setting blocks/screens or capable of picking up enough possessions to subsidise what we lose from stevens. i feel sorry for stevo......he deserves to be in a good side with quality midfielders by his side....instead he is destined to suffer with out sub par midfield for the rest of his career.

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If the opposition know we're about to turn the ball over and are getting into position accordingly....why aren't we doing the same?

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because they know how to play attacking football.

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Whose fault is it that are players dont know where to position themselves

Is it the coach

Or have we recruited the wrong players

Therefore its the recruiters

There are not many players on our list that were there when Pagan took over so he has created this mess . No one else

And if the players that are still there are a problem well he has had four trade/draft periods to get rid of them

Caz you more than anyone should no what these players were like before they arrived .

and you more than anyone know what they are like now

Stevens in in trouble because he has no support in the midfield and yet simpson and walker play in the back line , Campo is playing for another team - kouta very rarely plays in the middle and yet he was the clearance king last year

You explain it to us Caz because there are a hell of lot of supporter who are getting pretty pissed off with this tripe that is being dished up week after week

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How sad is our list that young Murphy is our second best midfielder behind Stevens.

I feel for Stevens he gets burnt because he ain't got no support on the ground

Agree that Stevens is copping the heat from opposing teams.....maybe if Kouta could start performing in a manner that relates to his pay packet you might find Stevens getting a kick..

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kouta picked up three kicks in the third quarter at full back....surely thats worth a million, he had to run all the way back there.

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So our tactics should actually be to man up when WE have posession - it's only a matter of time before we turn it over anyway and have to run back anyway .

SB, I've asked before and I'll ask again, who exactly could we have got to the club to do a better job than the current list of players we have now.

This isn't a smartarse question, I just want to know - Simon Black? J.Brown? Judd? Reiwoldt?

Who????

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I was hoping Kouta would smack that little in-bred Milne and break the little shits nose, and he'd take 2 weeks - kill two birds........

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tick tick tick, 60 seconds are up. Interesting you only quote me Cazz but i agree with you 100%. The problem is however the support that he and as a matter of fact the whole team needs is not coming and has not been coming for a long time.

My gripe with Stevens is the way he gets sucked in by these Crowley and Baker types ala Camporeale. He is better than that!

Sucked in v Showing heart and guts?

Stevens gets swamped because he's not the fastest guy out there. He is just surrounded and tackled and driven into the dirt.

We have all known we've needed midfield support. begs the question as to why:

2004 - Russell, hartlett, Bryan, Raso, BLACKWELL, betts
2005 - MURPHY, kennedy, bower, edwards, mclaren, saddington

2 out of 12 picks have been spent on midfielders?

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