Agree he should be rested once a month. If it's good enough for Buckley, it's good enough for Kouta.

Also if Cats can play Riccardi as a bench player, Kouta can do that too & let the kids get more ground time.

Can't see Pagan dropping him, nor would it be dignified. But can remember Parko refusing to play Harry Madden and keeping him in the 2's after he was past his use by date.

Wangers .. Williams had been told to piss off two times when he was Benticks age.. for not being good enough...

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Don't get me wrong, I think Kouta is awesome. I have watched his entire career and loved it but I thinkhis time has come.

Yes he tries, yes he loves the club but we need someone younger. Kouta should retire at seasons end and Lance should assume the mantle.

He is young, talented and there is noone on our list that tries harder than him. He is an inspiration and if this once great club is EVER going to move forward then it's time everything changed, starting with the captaincy.

Kouta was inspirational when he took a game by the scruff of the neck and would win a game from his own efforts. The inspiration to players was that while Kouta was there we could always steal a game that seemed to be slipping away.

Kouta doesn't do that anymore. He provides me with great memories, but not inspiration on the field anymore.

He has to be rested or put in the BP where the ball seems to be most of the time. If he fails to stand up, then that's his doing.

If the game plan was more attacking, then perhaps a HF or FP role would suit. Maybe even CHB and release Whitnall to the forwardline with Fish and Waite injured. What a waste of talent. It has to be attitude. Haven't seen him talk since the Collins grievance.

Something is missing. Very strange situation. He doesn't even face up to post match media interviews. In fact I hear nothing from him. This is all wrong. It's not what a captain is all about.

If Pagan is a good coach, then he should be able to get more out of him. He still has strength, stamina and skills. Pace, positioning and committment seem to be the problem.

His pay packet and stripping him of the captaincy are not the right thing to bring up mid season. The pay is not his fault, but it's our problem, and the captaincy, unless he decides to give it to someone else will not be an issue after 14 rounds.

Geez this situation saddens me. Thank god the kids inspire me. In particular, the ones I haven't seen in the firsts; Bower, Edwads, Jackson, Flint, Batson, O'hAlpin.

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play kouta In the centre & then push him to CHF. He's still good at one on one contested marks & for me he is the greatest centre clearance player i've seen since diesel - surpassing him even!

While there have been plenty of Kouta bashes over the years - he has been in the top 5 for clearances just about every year since signing his now infamous contract.

We can't have him running all over the field - pushing full forward, then going back, then into the centre, then back again, etc, etc, etc! Have him in the middle for centre clearances and then push him to CHF!

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Tell him hes dreamin'.....

We dont need passengers... Kouta is a passenger... travelling Royal class...

Time to go Kouta....

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What's that got to do with my comment? Bentick will never be a 'Greg Williams' - End of story.

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Kouta really should retire.

And Bentick won't be Williams

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That's exactly his point Wangers. Williams himself was effectively told twice that he'd "never be a Greg Williams" but he was just a late bloomer wasn't he? He worked his arse off and left Carlton and Geelong with red faces.

By saying Bentick will never be a Greg Williams type you are making that very same call again.

You just never know.

Kouta must know he is bordering on useless at the moment. I hope he pulls the pin.

Bentick is not going to be the next Diesel.
We do not have a player on our list that could get close to Diesel.

ITs PROBABLY one of our biggeest issues. No real engine room players.

Stevens is a reciever like (sorry I have to say it) Camporeale was.

Otherwise we dont actually have a midfield.

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Yeah right - I hope Bentick makes it for his sake, but he won't be Diesel.

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Maybe not...but it's a good lesson to remember...don't write anyone off too quickly.

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But they told Williams to piss off cos he didnt look like he would be good..

Like if Williams was on our list at 19 youd say .. Get rid off that avator he will never be an Armstrong....or Keogh...or Gallagher...

Thats why they turfed him out twice....

isnt it???

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Don't know about Williams but young Bentick is certainly better than Ratten at the same age.

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An interesting tangent.

The reason for my avatar is that Bentick is built in a similar fashion to Williams and has a similar 'in-and-under' style. On top of that, he has shown in many games that he makes excellent distribution decisions under pressure.

Give the man time.

Will he be as good as Diesel? I don't know, but we're all allowed to dream.

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Better than Fraser Brown at the same age too...

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Good on you, Jack Worrall. I like your avatar and also have hopes of Bentick progressing.

re: kouta


Seeing we have to have kouta in our team this year - where do you think he would play his best footy>?



The midfield has always been his preference... but the output is limited this year... after that I guess he would be best on the half-forward line?
A guy with his height and muscle should worry a few opponents.



Surely we can't come up with the same predictable team placements every week?

I'm not sure whether the forward line is the ideal spot for Kouta either as he seems to have lost the ability to take overhead marks and the opposing defender would just run off him and become a link man whenever the opposition is going forward.

I think it would be worth a try playing on the half back line, actually give him somebody specific to man up on - like what happened when he lost form during his dad's illness.

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He's had a couple of knee injuries and the subsequent loss of mobility means he can't play in the backline. If you think his man is going to run off him in the forwardline...

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I s'pose I was thinking if he is going to be in the team then he could do the Whitnall spare-man role, he disposal skills are still good so he could set up from there. It would free Red up to play up forward alongside Josh & Fev

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