agree with synners... the whole lot are useless... I hope everyone they all move aside... Pagan... the board... Malouf even! I dont know what Malouf does... but probably not much if his superiors are anything to go by!!

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Love Cricket? Love me

I understand synners point T but I am worried the current board will give the masses Pagan and then argue for time for the new coach.

Get rid of the board first while we still have a club to save.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Best case from that scenario is they admit a significant amount of fault internally, and make sure they get it right this time.

But, then again, best case is they admit they're tools HERE LIVE on the site and then stand down themselves

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Love Cricket? Love me

100 signatures isn't it? ....I'll sign it ....or should we just wait ......& wait .....& wait .....& wait





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There's so much I could say...

I'll sign also. We need people who shake the rug and clear out all the crap. Not just kick the dog off it and say its clean.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Now we just need an annoying little man who pretends he isn't Asian.

so let's just.... ummm..... wait.........

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There's so much I could say...

I was just being silly, I'm all for a petition ousting the board.

But wouldn't you prefer this scenario?

AFL grants us all the things we've been alluding to and asking for.

Pratt comes in and forces the board to hit the eject button and we get a decent board and another $7 million.

Carlton instantly becomes a power again. Pagan can actually compete on an even keel with other clubs in terms of facilities and another year at the bottom sees us significantly shore up our list medium to long term.

Could very well happen.

I dont see how we'd instantly become a power again.

It would take some time for the facilities to be upgraded and how long do we allow the development of the younger players to be potentially setback with Pagan as Coach?

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I'd be happy to retain some of the current board and expand it's numbers.
Smorgon, Lee, Wilson.....it wouldnt bother me to see them stay.
They just need someone with true leadership skills to take the wheel.
Someone with the strength to crush the factions and get everyone moving in the one direction.

I'd appoint a committee, Smorgon, Fahour, perhaps some old Carlton people like Swan McKay and Pratt to hand pick the best mix required.

Smorgon cant be president though, I'd allow him to stay on as VP but the President profile will be absolutely crucial.

A transition as bloodless as possible is required.

We just need to complement the current board.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Well given that we would have wiped out our debt out and be sitting on a tidy cash surplus that we can invest, I don't see why we wouldn't be a financial power again.

And part of that AFL plan is to get cracking on a facility.

dreaming while waiting...






& waiting...

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There's so much I could say...

What is our product?

I think our product that we sell is winning games. I think as always we should start with the end in sight and work backwards through the management chain to see where improvement has to be made.

I am not for change for the sake of change, but I have thought about this a lot and if we can only change the things we have control over then we have limited control over our playing list (at least mid-season), ultimate control over our coaching staff, ultimate control over administration and ultimate control over the board.

If you think back to when Jack was thrown out, he was thrown out basically on the team performance and not on the financial state of the club which nobody knew at that stage, so we as members have control of our club and in turn our product. I think as stakeholders in the club we can demand that management produce a good product.

Now as share holders we have to accept the fact that we probably do not have the most expertise in modifying our product to make it the best, so we hand over that control to experts. Of course we monitor their progress and compare it to the market to see how they are doing. Using this comparison I can't see how the existing management can be supported by the members.

We have demonstrated absolutely no progress this year in relation to the market.

I think 2ndeffort (or one of the earlier posters) mentioned something about technology being on an s curve and that as the market flattens out other competitors catch up... And yes, he/she is right in a way, but we don't even seem to be in the same market as most of our competitors at the moment.

We say that taking a chance and completely redesigning our product is a risk, but really what are we risking. We are bottom. We can not get any worse.

I have not had the "opportunity" to see the St Kilda game and man oh man, St Kilda is one of those teams that are leading edge technology but as yet have not found out how to use their technology to create the ultimate product. So I would classify them as one of the technology leaders that everyone is catching up to.

We have nothing to lose, now is the time to completely rebuild the club. We need a Board with a vision, not for today, not for tomorrow, but for the future. We can completely redesign our club to become the team of the future, we need futurists. We do not need tired cliches, we do not need scapegoats.

I am Carlton through and through and I am willing to support my club in whatever way I can, I think most of us are the same way, maybe we can be the first club in the world to utilize its actual members to become great again.

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"our guest is dressed by hand-me-downs, hair designed by pillow"

you got me brother!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Now all I need is a petition with 100 names and my name on the Board... I'll run the club from Denmark

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"our guest is dressed by hand-me-downs, hair designed by pillow"

Agree with most points on this thread.

What pisses me off is how the board is just asking for handouts from the AFL and demanding better draft picks.

Carlton put themselves in that mess it should be up to Carlton to get us out. We were a proud club. Now we are the laughing stock of the AFL.

The current Carlton board doesn’t have any idea on how to lead this club. Don’t blame the old board anymore. This board must create a business plan that brings not only our finances back to normal but our on field performances back to their best.

We shouldn’t accept any hand outs from the AFL. Our board must reform the club by making the hard decisions rather being every ones rag doll. We are on our knees and our current board is just hoping the club sorts its self out and not making the needed calls.

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"Dont count the games, make the games count"

Can't say i like the man myself, but how is this for a president of a club holding the club accountable:

http://www.theage.com.au/realfooty/news ... 87550.html

Not a cliche in sight and demonstrates that even in the rebuilding phase certain expectations should be met. Also justifies the decision not to renew the coaches contract prematurely...

Man there are many lessons we can learn.

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"our guest is dressed by hand-me-downs, hair designed by pillow"

Synbad I always thought you were a Sherbert mole

You did???

Howzat????

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