THE BLAME GAME NEEDS TO STOP.

Yes the problems we currently face can be attributed to many people some former and some current.

PUT YOUR HAND UP AND SAY I WILL FIX IT OR MOVE ON AND FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO CAN DO IT.

NO MORE EXCUSES FOR ON AND OFF FEILD PERFORMANCES.

About bloody time some serious things were said about the culture within the club which lead to the deterioration of the list....

"They didn't do the proper planning after winning the premiership in 1995. I blame the administration and coaching staff in 1995, '96, '97 for the lack of planning," he said.

"We had a few players nearly finished, but they wouldn't blood new players.

"That's where our big mistakes were made in administration, coaching and planning. Elliott, the match committee and David Parkin were all responsible for not planning."

Thank you for telling it like it is, John

We are not getting belted every week. We beat Melbourne by 5 goals, competitive against the Dockers, Swans, Tigers and Hawks, and only two weeks ago we beat Essendon*. Got belted in half a game against Woods and St Kilda. I didn't expect much more with our list.

Blaming the current board and Pagan for our present situation is fanciful.

Hey Sydney, your collage of inferences don't paint a pretty picture, but nonetheless pretty entertaining; albeit misleading.

Kouta didn't say that Brittain is a better coach than Pagan. He said that Brittain was one of the biggest influences. How's that? 7 years of Brittain (during his peak years)and 3 with Pagan (whilst he was on the sidelines with knee injury). Kouta makes no comparison, you do.

Fev doesn't necassarily 'think' (present) Nick's a silly old fool, he may have thought (past) it. Past tense and taken out of context.

In reality we were broke before this board and coach were selected, and due to the size of the grandstand debt, nobody, but a white night could erase that one over night.

We are not getting belted every week. We beat Melbourne by 5 goals, competitive against the Dockers, Swans, Tigers and Hawks, and only two weeks ago we beat Essendon*. Got belted in half a game against Woods and St Kilda. I didn't expect much more with our list.

Synbad reckons its a ridiculous attempt of damage control. That's his opinion, not necassarily the truth. The damage had been done a long time ago, and the pain of it lingers. The reasons for the damage has been once again highlighted for those who are looking for scapegoats, and have short memories. The reference to Elliot and Parkin from a Carlton great who have never muttered a bad word off the field, was to set the record straight. Parkin agrees.

Blaming the current board and Pagan for our present situation is fanciful. As for a plan for the club, yes I'm waiting for that too, but I guess there is a dependency on the AFL to address the support they are prepared to give before we set a plan. We have to wait for that. Not that I am patient, but because I realise that the ball is the AFL's court, then I have to be patient before the big picture unfolds. If the big picture/plan doesn't impress me, I will certainly express my displeasure then, but there's no sense in being negative about the lack of a plan until that happens.

Goodonya Big Nick.

Jim - how many 6th sides win 14 games?

Bondi Blue....well thought through.....the voice of reason.....must be the fresh air!

Agro, sorry about the dad thing, but plenty of footballers in those days got busted selling fridges that fell off the back of a truck. Golly gosh i may have even bought one.

Big Nick with an agenda? sure he has.....but who the hell hasn't?

anyway more healthy debate......more importantly i hope we stick it up the crows this weekend......and i know this is a wild one, but as following football is a sport of childhood memories.....here is mine...

blues beat the crows and our best 3 are the 'doomed' draft choices we made in 2000 livo, wiggo and spornie.......? Well, here is to childhood memories...

Ah Big Nick, he filled plenty of my childhood memories....

Yes Big Nick WAS a champion etc etc etc, but he doesn't really have much of a clue lately - only a couple of things he says were true and they were obvious ie John Elliot.

For the record 'Nick' in 1995 Carlton played a team that had played in several losing grand finals including one the previous year. The Geelong team of that era was one of their best ever AND the kangaroos were supposedly the team of the 90's (although I still say the Eagles should have this title) - what were you watching? Senility settling in early?

Furthermore I suggest someone asks him how often he goes to the games, on most days you can probably find him at a different sporting event that is popular in spring or at a venue watching said event on tv.

Also it wasn't after 1995 that we made mistakes it was around 1999, most people acknowledge that making the grand final that year set us back - we had a down period after 95' - doesn't anyone remember 1998? Unfortunately we were misled into thinking after 99' & 2000 that we were travelling okay when we weren't.

Don't know where I am going with this except to say that his opinion shouldn't have that much weight on it - not when he was last involved in football 30 years ago

Mistakes began end of 95 when we gave our first draft pick to St Kilda for Devenport, which they used to draft Hall.

In 96 we gave away our first pick for McGuane. Our second pick was Sam Smart.

In 97 we took Massie.

In 98 we took Vance.

In 99 we gave away our first 3 picks for Mansfield & O'Reilly.

In 2000 we took Livo, Sporn & Wiggins.

In 2001 we gave away our first 2 picks for McKernan.

In 2002 we lost our first 2 picks due to cheating.

There you have it in a nutshell.

Add that to the financial strife we're in due to building unwanted stands and at a ground past its use by date, and the current player dissatisfaction with the coaching panel, and it's a recipe for disaster.

He also lowered the boom on three-times premiership coach Parkin, whom he said had contributed to the club's problems by failing to rebuild the team after the 1995 Grand Final victory and then handing the coaching reins to Wayne Brittain at the end of the 2000 season.

"Parkin has come out of this clean as a whistle. He dropped the ball, then he passed on to Wayne Brittain. Nice blokes, but they didn't do a good job," Nicholls said.

"I don't blame Pagan for the current situation. I think he's had to re-adjust with a poor side. But I support him 100 per cent and I support the current board. All they are doing is trying to sort out problems created by Elliott.

A 23 year old All Australian Centre Half Forward - Former All-Australian and attending fat farms at the time
3 top 15 picks under 21 years old. - Sporn, Wiggin and Livo
About to recieve 3 top 20 picks in the draft. - Which never happened because we were cheating on Brittains watch
A developing key backman in Bret Thornton. - IMO we will never be a top four side if we rely on Thornton to hold down a key position, very good flanker in a good side
A 19 year old Jarrad Waite. - who had never played a game
Brendan Fevola. - who would have been sacked
20 year old Ryan Houlihan. - who would have been sacked
Plus several young kids. - club mascots do not count :lol:

Blue Vain your on a hot streak as far as posting is concerned - a series of POW material.