I dont ever want to bag DP because he is the coach of the Mighty Blues and the Mighty Blues are what I love, but the thing that frustrates me about DP is his negative mindset. DP has always said "that our list isn't the best" "that untill we get a better list" "that with the players I have to work with". This is unacceptable for the coach of the Mighty Blues to say these things. Only at the end of a season should a coach evaluate his list like that. DP needs to install a culture of "I believe that my team can do it." How heart-wrenching for a promising young player (Simpson, Murphy, Kennedy etc) to see their own coach say that he doesn't believe the list is good enough. Pagan needs to change his attitude and install into his team the attitude that they can do it. I think about the times over the last four years that Carlton has been succesful (the Wizard Cup) and you could sense that the players were confident, that they were good enough. If you say your not good enough, you never will be. Look at Collingwood, they were crap last year, this year they look like a new team, they have the belief they can win. Carlton also needs to develp the belief they can win. I honestly believe that when Lance plays up forward, Carlton plays a lot better, because the players have the mindset that they are good enough to win the game not try and save from getting flogged. In 95 would we ever of said that our list isn't good enough to win!!! I tell you now if we did think like that we would still only have 15 premierships in that cabinet. Carlton has been the most successful club in the history of football, and we didnt become that because we had the mindet that "our list isnt good enough." That is not the Carlton Way.

The Carlton Way:

Our List is the best in the Comp.
Winning is everything.
Failure is unacceptable.

How I long for that arrogance again! DP it starts with you. I disagree with you DP and anyone who agrees with you.

OUR LIST IS GOOD ENOUGH DP!!!!!!!! Change your mindset!

Well said. Blaming the list every week is a total cop out. It must drag the self esteem of the players down. Weak as piss.

Disgraceful coaching once again

Our midfielders look forward and its one on three

Nathan Bassett leading possession winner. I WONDER WHY

He should resign; he is past it

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carlton doesn't have a midfield.
the opposition centre should kick the ball off from the centre circle instead of the bounce.

sack Pagan now.

Awesome game plan - shit skills so we play high possession footy. No forwards inside 50. Whitnall moved back after 2 adelaide goals. When Whitnall goes back, Kennedy stays on the bench.

More possessions in the first 7 minutes - 0 inside 50's to 11, 32 points to nil.

Anyone remeber when Parkin coached and we went as underdogs sometimes - every man was assigned a player and stuck to him like glue. If that man went off, they went off. What's wrong with that now?

@#$%&! shit. I'm over it. The buck stops with Pagan, plain and simple. Our list is better than last year and the year before and we are getting worse.

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he'd @#$%&! that up too!!!!

where's that collection tin AGRO?

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yep i have kept quiet on pagan until now - but enough is enough

its not the players fault , they are being forced to play this rubbish !!

commentator just said the best thing all day - carlton must play 6 forwards not 1 or 2 !

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

And the players should accept no responsibility eh.....



I think we already have a pagan bashing post on here....


Post on that please!!!!!

Our players on the paddock are the ones who should be getting off their asses and having a flower dip whilst ppl sit back thinking they are einstein with their views.....

Sorry buddy but not in a good mood!!!

This shit carlton side is making us all grumpy.....

2005 crap again!!!!!!!!! ahhhhhhhh!!

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I wasn't aware Pagan instructed senior players not to chase and to kick the ball in a couple of feet over your teamates head.

Funny tactics, you reckon he'd know we'd lose playing like that.

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True Brad,

but when 38 players can't or won't follow a coaches instructions, or can't or won't prosper under his gameplan, then you either replace 38 players or 1 coach.

We can't replace 38 players.

Were you aware that Fevola has to play against three?

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Brad

Did you see what happened then when Fevola was given a one on one contest

WELL?

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Tactics mean nothing we can't get a clearance and the heartless bastards wearing the jumper are not capable of any attack on the footy.
Pagan is not innocent but there many more guilty.
If we sack Pagan let's hope he accepts 1.4 million payment in signed Kouta memorabillia.

Where's our THUNDER?????????????

Oh - that's right - Richmond stole it...

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Is it worth pointing out here that the only way Denis will leave the club is if he's shamed into it?

If that's the case then things seem to be going along swimmingly today.

I don't believe Denis is solely to blame for where we're at but I do believe he's lost the plot pretty severely recently. The game plan's abominable.

A couple more games like this (in a row) and we might have a bit of serious pressure building.

The problem is that another win/good performance/injury to Fev or whoever simply provides the club with more breathing space/excuses and that's something we don't actually need right now.

Viva la revolucion...

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Another goal there, you know why?

The loose man wasn't allowed to do what he wants

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Like that's a tactic by the coach.

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Yes, sack Pagan so we can start sacking the players who can't win the ball or kick to save themselves. Alls fair because we'll still be shithouse next year regardless of the gameplan with our list.

Then a new coach can come in and take all the credit when Walker, Murphy, Kennedy, etc. come of age a player.

Yep....I never said none of it was Pagan's fault

Does he get credit now for the comeback?

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