How can you sore like an eagle if you work with a bunch of turkeys hey..

So your saying our 2002 list is better than our 2006 list ?
I think you better start looking outside the square....

Well, I can see that I'm in the wrong thread here.

edit - removed 200+ happy laughing faces..

[quote="bosman"]Well, I can see that I'm in the wrong thread here. edit - removed 200+ happy laughing faces..</quote>

Lots of water, no more booze and sweat it out.

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Bosman, you should know better than to spam a thread like that. It stuffs up most people's displays due to the number of graphics objects..

And you too DIAMATISM for quoting it.

PLEASE EDIT YOUR POSTS.

well we finsihed 5th that year i believe .... headed for the sppon this year...again under pagan. Results mate, thats all that counts. If the list now is so much better mate why they not winning games...that sums up to pagan not being able to get the best out of them then??? Just accept it that not all groups of guys will react the right way to certain coaches....so ask the question of the coach! Pagan never seems to be questioning what he is doing with the players, no all i hear is "poor disposals this week", inaccurate kicking another, failed to take chances the week later, blah blah blah .... Carey & co. made him look good, don't underestimate it.

What's that? I couldn't hear you over my gloating about my 1.5 gig of RAM.

Say there's a resturant, and every single one of the waiters there drops plates every night, the only thing you can blame on the management is that they hire waiters who cannot hold on to the plates, it's not their daily manergerial decisions they causes the waiters to drop the dishes, so it has to be the waiters themselves that are the problem. The only manegerial decision mistake they could have made is that they kept on using them and not sack them, and not hiring new good ones.
The difference is, DP is stuck with these players (waiters), he cannot sack them all and hire good ones.

Some of our blokes would serve meals to another restaurants' patrons and then blame the head chef.
What part of we don't have a spare 1.4 million to sack Pagan and pay another coach do these folks not understand

Which part of keeping him and continuing to lose games and thus members and sponsors do you not understand?

And which part of coming to a settlement with the guy and not having to pay the full amount do you not understand?

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just to carry on the restaurant metaphor...

what if :
The layout of the restaurant was extremely poor
The was insufficient space between the tables
The plates were really big
The floor had a slippery covering
Most of the waiters were junior
The lighting was poor

In these circumstances, SOME of the dropped plates would not be the fault of the waiters, and certainly the management could address these issues, with the result of less dropped plates.

(please don't apply a footy equivalent to each of the cases above, I just made them up...)

My point is that our game plan sucks. And that's Denis's bit.

Today againts the Crows, the boys enjoyed the 2nd quarter (as did I).
So what happens after half time?. Whitnell in defence, 2 in the fwd line, play crap chip around negative bullshit footy and get spanked.
We should have kept the same structure, and had a bloody go. So what if we got spanked? (did anyways...) At least the boys would of had some fun, we would have seen some good footy, and maybe, just maybe their skills might have improved a tad, along with their confidence.

I blame Denis for this disgraceful planning.

Anyone who doesn't think that's Pagan's fault really struggles with the concepts of the game. WTF you think the coach is for. Part of coaching is about skills. Others make similar comments, they're simply niave at best and stupid at worst.

Some of the picks were ok. I didn't mind Morrell, Johnson, Teague won a B & F , and McGrath's at least been handy. Probably in hindsight we went too far with that type of recruitment. Admittedly we did get 10 wins and if it wasn't for a flukey kick by Wells and taking out foot off the gas against the Swans when 18 points in front during the last qtr we may have made the finals in 2004. And we did win the Wizzer as well. Pity he lost the players again just as we got something going. Just wonder if a couple more kids lower down in the draft that year may have been a better option. After all, Simmo was 45, Fisher was 72 and even Houlihan was a pick in the 70's in 1999, so there is something that can be made from picks that low (James hird was a pick in the 70's as well if I remember right). I wonder if we knew we were getting Nick Stevens in the PSD on top of Walker as a PP would we have gone down the same recruiting path as we did. While we missed out on a 1 & 2 round pick that year, picking up Walker and Stevens was pretty handy compenstation, and probably better than 14 clubs who did get those the normal 1 & 2 picks.

Pay him out over the term of his contract or even longer over 5 years or more, not all at once. Be a nice retirement package into his 60's. Then maybe give a Barry Mitchell a small pay rise from assistant coach's rates to head coaching rates to take over the reins. That's the only area where they'd be extra cost. With Kouta's contract finishing this year that would cover the extra anyway. Then, of course, if we play with more cxommittment, we get alot of out members back, which would be worth more than $1.4 million. So it can quite "easily" be done. We have to pay Pagan anyway, so there's no extra cost there. We don't have to payout Pagan all at once either as his contract does extend over 3 years. That's where people are getting it wrong by saying we don't have the money to pay him out.

Who says they're necessarily turkeys. They're not jet engines either but I'm not convinced they're turkeys either.

Pagan is not the skills coach thats what either Tony Elshaug, Tony Liberatore or Terry Daniher do.
Garry Dempsey does the ruck division and Barry Mitchell is coaching the Bullants.
One of the above is meant to be the skills coach.
If you ask me Pagan's mistake is keeping Tony Elshaug around.
Turnovers resulted in about 10 goals today and if you can't see that then you have nfi about football. Every week is the same old same old thing, opposition teams pressure us in defence or the midfield, wait for us to turnover the ball going forward and attack from there, why, because they know we will.

With TE around, our coaching panel just oozes confidence!! I hope we keep him!

worst thread ever.

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I agree EB..

Pagan's THE coach and as such it's his responsibilty. Make no mistake, if we were a great side winning premierships, the coach would be getting all the kudos. so, as such, it's his responsibity when things are going badly, including skills. It's been 4 years, I think supporters have waited long enough. Never be accepted anywhere else.