Look mate!!!... while Pagan was bemoaning the fact our footskills were bad and how good Adelaides were.. did you hear Craigs interview??

"We need to do more work on handballs.. and repetitive stuff thats how you improve....and decision making work"

and thats from a coach whos team just slayed us.

Pagan should piss off now!!!.. if he cant.. the boartd should sack him and then resign themselves.

How much bullshit can we sit through????

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Lets put this all in perspective..

What needs to be done WILL BE DONE. Whatever it is.

In the last 45 years we have won 8 flags, every 5 1/2 years on average.

The Pies, Dogs, Cats, Saints have 1 each in that period.

If a team wins a flag less than every 16 years, then they are batting better than average.

I say we WILL win a flag by 2011. No doubt about it.

This simple statistic keeps me positive.

Pagan has crap to work with.

Its not like Pagan can sack everybody and get who he wants to play. Your thinking like John Elliot now. There is a thing called the "Draft" and it takes time and we were not allowed to pick the cream for 2 years.

I love this sack the coach thing, who else gets the blame in the footy circle....

I heard Denis's inteview Synbad... He did say we practice, practise and practise at skills like that at training. When a player like Wiggins is running down the wing with nobody near 30 meters of him and then he kicks it straight to a crows player all by himself. Tell me how you fix that at training, is it sack the coach....

Lets just sack the coach and then sack the board and who is going to run things then ????? Nobody wants too.

We are a rabble and I'm taking about the supporters .

Best. Selwood. Ever

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Bosman.. you probably say what you say cos you have never seen us train.

Case #1 (Carlton training)Match simulation).. Wiggo runs down the wing and has SIX players to choose to kick it to.

Case #2 (Real Match with Denis tactics) ..Wiggo runs down the wing and has NOONE to kick it to (with someone hot in his arse)....as the team floods.. (Which is not what they train for)
So tell me Bosman????What are we practising in our fictitious match simulation la la land training???

Were training 'for in an ideal world' type of situations......
So how is that helping Wiggins' decision making skills...????...

Where is the preperation at poractise for a forward line structure that can actually be translated out on the footy battlefield??

Theyre wasting their time training..they might as well play pool... or badmington....
The training they do is a waste of time.. and if you EVER go to training i know youd agree with me.

Training is where Elshaugh strips their confidence away from them.
Its where they simulate six on six defence/offence... ad all the things that will never EVER EVER happen in a real match......

Wiggos fault???

I want to ask you a couple of questions....
Do you see structure out there????

and of so where is it???

And if not...dont you think any coach can have them playing with some kind of structure after almost FOUR YEARS????


Do you think Denis has answers????
Do you think he has belief in his craft???

If not.. why would the players believe in him???

Every cause has an effect....you cant get away from it...


He is GONE!!!!

Im sick of "Look at all their good players.. look at all their good skills and we dont have any of that"

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If something is not working change it. Clearly, this team is not working. We cannot change the entire team so Denis is the point of change. Find the money, bite the bullet and do it. I agree, do it now.

But please lets remember why.

Denis tried to change the culture, he tried to instil a new method. Unfortunately, I believe, he never received the supprt he needed from senior players. And his attempt to create the next tier group who might grow into the leaders he desperately needed failed. He had to attempt this mind you because he needed that group - as can be seen now. Teague, Bannister, Scotland etc - are not the basis for the next leadership group.

Blame Denis all you like but the truth is Wiggo. Livo and Sporn will never be leaders. Nor Prenda or Skinny and Lance (who was lost to injuries and weight problems.

Fev and Houla were not leaders and though they have both improved yesterday convinced me (again despite my hope) Fev is not a natural onfield leader - he is too instinctive, when he tries to think things through or bring teammates into the game he makes mistakes. Houla is not a leader.

Whoever the next coach is can again delist and cut the next tier players not good enough and be given three years to turn this around.

Denis has failed because, I think, he did not cut this list deep enough in his first 3 years here (yes yes Synners I agree). The bullet was never fully bitten and so we are stuck treading water.

I feel for Denis, he came to a club lost in its own past, a club that has no ticker. A gutless, rudderless club devoid of many of the things that made is great.

So yes he must go because we must change. he can coach. he has done many things that needed to be done. he just did not do enough of the hard things.

Whoever we get better have balls because this task is only half done.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

the problem is this with Carlton and Denis.

Just as we cant let go of the last and move to the future as a club...
Denis couldnt either.

Just as we were too pig headed and set in our old ways.. so to is/was Denis.

Its a world tyhat stops for nobody.. not Carlton.. not Denis not me and not anybody or anything else...

You have to always be changing and improving and understanding the trends and even be the initiator of trends to be succesful.

Like Carlton USED TO BE.
Like Denis USED TO BE.


But neither is now....

So we must change and move on .. try and catch up and then go beyond and become leaders again.... not drag our feet....
Need a young man who understands the times...

Denis is not that man!

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I must admit that I am baffled by Denis's use of the interchange bench.


I was re-watching the Carlton vs Richmond match....and Carlton were in a position to win. Murphy had just kicked the goal of the match from the boundary line running with as much speed as Chris Judd. This was towards the end of the first quarter.

MURPHY SHOULD HAVE STARTED 2ND QUARTER ON THE GROUND.


2nd quarter ... Murphy is on the interchange and doesn't come on until 15 minutes into the second quarter. (Unless I missed a couple of the changes...which i doubt)

What the hell was he doing on the interchange?

Then in the second quarter when he does come on he sets up Whitnall for a shot at goal.. brilliant reading of play considering he started on the other wing and sprinted to the far wing to set up play.


re the Interchange - games we have won..... hasn't Kouta been on the bench for a good portion of those games? Kouta is too old and too slow. His best position now is the interchange bench and i would pinch hit in midfield/forward line...



RE: LAPPIN


Also - why has it taken 8 plus weeks to put Lappin into the forward line for more than 15 minutes?
One doesn't need to be Einstein to realise that is his best playing position.


While we are on tactics......who the hell was on mcleod yesterday should have been TAGGING HIM.... It is common knowledge that he sets up most of Adelaide's good attacks from half-back line. If you have a tagger on McLeod then you limit the damage.


RE:MCGRATH

By the way - if McGrath is dropped again for go only knows what.. i will rip up my membership ticket. he is about the only guy whose disposals are faultless and he did a great job yesterday. If his form deteriorates further than say De Luca's then fine drop him... but why he was dropped a few weeks back... just has me puzzled.

I agree in normal circumstances we are in desperate need for a change from the top as in the coaching panel and our biggest mistake was not changing the Assistants last year when they where up for removal..

The DP change was prob made in haste though maybe we dont have all the information and if Collo actually renewd DP to re adjust his contract similar to Kouta by giving him the captaincy. If you look back to a lot ofthe initial issues revolove around the previous board unfortunately have to bring back Elliot who put up the big player contracts and also appointed DP in his last effort to stay in power. For the last 4 years these issues have come back and we have had to work on fixing them up instead of removing them. I have no doubt Kouta was given Captaincy not because he was the best candidate but to re-negotiate his contract as of the end of this year that is finished finally. I have no doubt now that Collo re appointing DP after 12 months was to re-negotiate his contract for the next 3 years so i dont think he is on as much as the media states.

Also i cant for the life of me work out why we accepted that when Libba and trout where up for re-appointment we gave them abother 12 month contract. I know was DP's decision but we should have forced the change and said DP if you want to keep coaching the Blues we want ne fresh ideas from your assistants. IE we should have brought and forced DP to take in Ratten and Dean ... kept Mitch and i dont have to many issues on TD and Demps for what they are doing.

Having Ratts and Dean would have got in some desperatly needed blue blood on the coaching panel, Players who had been with the club as player all there career. ALso inb the event that DP was pushed aside have a back up in place to take the reigns over. We had the chance to do that and failed to implement that at end of last year and would make any decisions now much easier.

Sack DP now we would loose Trout and Libba which i have no prob with but i dont think that Mitch / and part time coach TD and Demps are gonna help the Blues or bullants out over the remainder of the season.

No point in sacking DP now and have a team which needs lots of coaching with nothing. If the coaching panel was say DP / Ratts/ Dean / Mitchell and we puched out DP i would have greater confidence of Ratts or Dean taking a care taker role.

Trout and libba cant do that and need to go more than DP IMO.

But i agree we need to have changes in the coaching panel. I think this is the first time i have seen the Coach under threat and then look below and find nobody i would want as care taker very sad state of affairs..

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Wolfe what makes you think Ratts or Dean would do a better job than Mitchell?

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Id like to think Denis can resign and Elshaugh gets the sack...

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I wasnt suggesting Mitch as one i was wanting to change but i also dont know if Mitch is contracted also to coach the Bullants ? and also i dont think Mitch can coach the blues and Bullants with a couple of part-time assistants for the rest of the season.

I just believe that if out fulltime assistant panel had Mitch ... suggested Dean and Ratts could be other options and what has happened as of round 9 we have much more options for changing the coach as i would be happy with Mitch / Dean / Ratts being care taker coaches and also know the Bullants for developement are still being looked after as well.

I was strong in my opionion that Trout and Libba should have gone as of end of last year... and id we removed DP wouldnt want eithr of those 2 to be retained as assistants in any role.

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Do some of you think Smorgan is bluffing? We have no money to meet cash outflows as they stand now. The directors have a duty of care regarding going-concern and the like. Pagan would be a fool to deal after a mid-season dumping and won't accept lay-by from a club on the brink of insolvency.
Also do you think the other clubs will go oh yer give them ten million AFL assitance to waste on sacking the coach they signed last year. The AFL yes our pals Demo and Hotdogs are our last hope, the white knights and millionaires are "too busy" or are invisible.
Unless Fahour does a breakfast everyday for the next year or we back ourselves to lose every week, hey there's an idea.....

Waite
Kouta
Murphy
Stevens
Whitnall
Fevola
Lappin
Walker

These guys are not turkeys! These guys are champions / have the potential to become champions!

Do you think our list is worse than that of Richmonds? Honestly?

Look back on our year of 2004 when we finished 10th. :-
The teams below us were

Richmond
Bulldogs
Hawthorn
Adelaide

since then, they have all sacked their coaches, even though the players came out to support them! Now where are they?
They haven't done that much to change their list:-

Richmond are playing much better football, but Deledio isn't doing all the work. In fact, he's having a pretty quiet year.
There list is still pretty much the same as it was under the previous coach. So why is it that they are winning games now.

Same story with the bulldogs. They've picked up 2 champions in Cooney & Griffen, but it's the rest of the team that has lifted - and those players are the same ones who were'nt playing well under the previous coach.

Same story with the Crows a few years back. Remember everybody said they would win the spoon last year. Crap list - too old - not enough stars!!!! They almost won the premiership, and all it took was enough balls from the club to say 'The boys need a new coach!' - lets give it to em.

Either way, it's funny that those teams are now the ones that are flogging us by 50+points!

I am not saying this list doesn't need some improvment - it does. There are a few names that have to go!
BUT
It's players like Carrazzo, Bannister, Bentick, and others who week after week after week have to cop shit from their club, the supporters and WORST OF ALL THEIR OWN @#$%&! COACH, for being z-grade players.

Just once i would like to hear denis at a press confrence say "Well i think we may have to asses our game plan and change the way we go about getting the ball forward."

Because 13 goals in two weeks says it all folks, if there is nobody home to kick the goals - how are we gonna win games?

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All you had to see was the structure in the Crows match

When the Blues kicked 5 goals we had the structure of Lappin / Whits / Fev / Kouta ect in the forward line .. we made the crows accontable and made them cover us.
After halftime Whits moved in defence .. the structure all of a sudden has only 1 or 2 key forwards .. Ball goes in our defence rebounds and back into our backline where we get smashed again.... what is our reaction make our forward line even weaker with really only fev in the forward line game over.

I cannot work out why when we have options in the forwad line we dont leave them there ... even more so start them in the forward line.. Preder came in and payed in the backline did okay we could afford to put Whits forward.

When the Blues look dangerous and look like causing problems to the opposition is when we have a forward line ... makes the opposition have to worry about us.... all we seem to do these days is worry bout the opposition which only allows then to do what they like

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Well said - i was saying the same thing yesterday too! hell even the commentators were saying it and they are complete rejects!!!!

Check the stats:- they were all pretty much even!
Same Kicks
Same Handballs
Same MArks
Same loose ball / hard ball / contested possesions / uncontested possesions

Only one that was different was the inside 50's - we were killed!

And we couldn't go inside 50 because there was nobody.......@#$%&!......home!

If i can see it, two reject commentators can see it, hell 90% of the football world can see it - WHY CAN'T DENIS?

Why is it that we are quick to bag the players at any chance we get - ohhh, but not Denis - he;s off-limits! @#$%&! BULLSHIT - not to me he isn't!

With the exception of the 10min when we kicked 5 goals - we played the exact same bullshit game we were playing against St Kilda. So why? Why no change?
Did'nt the entire teams it down and reveal some 'Home Truths?' - what happened with those home truths!

We have a good and potentialy lethal forward line, but we ain't using it!

The crows had somebody home in the goalsquare all day yesterday - hell they knew all they had to do is quick long to the goal square and they were either gonna
a) get a goal
b) get a free-kick
c) kick a goal from crumbing
d) get a rushed behind!

That is a sign of great coaching - Craig knew exactly what he had to do!

So what does our do instead - he shatters, rapes & destroys the boys confidence and smiles that were gained during those 10min before half time by denying them the chance to do that agin.

Flood - have only one forward - slow the play down - etc, etc, etc - that is the exact way we played last week - and nothing has changed!

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What gets me is that Pagan then complains about our lack of skills.

So WHY AREN'T THERE SKILLS SESSIONS???

And not just any old skills sessions, but why not under some pressure? Learn to hit targets under pressure. It's crap coaching - and the same old excuses are being used by Denis.

Hell, I reckon, we'd do better with a captain-coach for the rest of the year. Denis has contributed absolutely nothing this year.

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Instead of venting your anger here, why not put your typing fingers to better use because there's an easy solution to all of this :


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You should shut down the CSC if you have a problem with supporters complaining about Pagan because that's the only thing they do on that site.

What will that achieve other than pumping up a Hobbit's ego?