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jim
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Is it Pagans fault that the players can't kick the footy and turn it over all the time.
Is it Pagan's fault that Scotland kicks the footy over Kouta's head at a kick in.
Is it Pagans fault Fev's goes the torp off the side of the boot straight to a crows player.
Is it Pagans fault players keep on kicking it out on the full, Nick Stevens included.
The list goes on and on.
The amount of turnovers today killed us, not Pagan.
Anyone who doesn't think that's Pagan's fault really struggles with the concepts of the game. WTF you think the coach is for. Part of coaching is about skills. Others make similar comments, they're simply niave at best and stupid at worst.

Pagan is not the skills coach thats what either Tony Elshaug, Tony Liberatore or Terry Daniher do.
Garry Dempsey does the ruck division and Barry Mitchell is coaching the Bullants.
One of the above is meant to be the skills coach.
If you ask me Pagan's mistake is keeping Tony Elshaug around.
Turnovers resulted in about 10 goals today and if you can't see that then you have nfi about football. Every week is the same old same old thing, opposition teams pressure us in defence or the midfield, wait for us to turnover the ball going forward and attack from there, why, because they know we will.
Pagan's THE coach and as such it's his responsibilty. Make no mistake, if we were a great side winning premierships, the coach would be getting all the kudos. so, as such, it's his responsibity when things are going badly, including skills. It's been 4 years, I think supporters have waited long enough. Never be accepted anywhere else.


Pagan has crap to work with.

Its not like Pagan can sack everybody and get who he wants to play. Your thinking like John Elliot now. There is a thing called the "Draft" and it takes time and we were not allowed to pick the cream for 2 years.

I love this sack the coach thing, who else gets the blame in the footy circle....
People always bring out this list tripe. In 75 games under pagan we have lost by more than 10 goals on 20 occasions. That's less than 1 in 4. No list at AFL level is that bad that that should ever happen. Draft picks are a cop-out. We still got Walker as a PP and Stevens in the PSD in 2003 despite losing or 1 & 2 pick. 14 other sides would've killed for that as a 1 & 2. We are sh1t because the players won't play with any committment or work output under Pagan, not because they're poor players. Thought the embarrssing displays may actually tell you that. It would tell even "blind Freddie" . Then, of course, there's the game plan, tactics, match-ups and team selection week in-week out. The coach is one miserable failure in that regard. You can clutch straws, I'll look at it objectively after 4 years.
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JuzzCarlton wrote:
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Instead of venting your anger here, why not put your typing fingers to better use because there's an easy solution to all of this

You should shut down the CSC if you have a problem with supporters complaining about Pagan because that's the only thing they do on that site.
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SIGN THE SackPagan.com PETITION !!!

What will that achieve other than pumping up a Hobbit's ego?
You're not stupid enough to think that he doesn't have a point. Why wouldn't you complain about Pagan, unless you enjoy losing.
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What gets me is that Pagan then complains about our lack of skills.

So WHY AREN'T THERE SKILLS SESSIONS???

And not just any old skills sessions, but why not under some pressure? Learn to hit targets under pressure. It's crap coaching - and the same old excuses are being used by Denis.

Hell, I reckon, we'd do better with a captain-coach for the rest of the year. Denis has contributed absolutely nothing this year.


How many training sessions have you been to this year?

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Jim, I'm not stupid enough to be you or a hypocrite who wants people to stop complaining when that's all they do on his site.

Why would you say our list isn't that bad and Goddard is a dud unless you're an idiot?
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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What gets me is that Pagan then complains about our lack of skills.

So WHY AREN'T THERE SKILLS SESSIONS???

And not just any old skills sessions, but why not under some pressure? Learn to hit targets under pressure. It's crap coaching - and the same old excuses are being used by Denis.

Hell, I reckon, we'd do better with a captain-coach for the rest of the year. Denis has contributed absolutely nothing this year.


How many training sessions have you been to this year?


Zero.

But if all I hear in the media and see on the footy pitch is our poor skills and training watchers all don't see skills training, then surely I'm entitled to believe that there isn't much emphasis on skills.

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CarltonClem wrote:
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What gets me is that Pagan then complains about our lack of skills.

So WHY AREN'T THERE SKILLS SESSIONS???

And not just any old skills sessions, but why not under some pressure? Learn to hit targets under pressure. It's crap coaching - and the same old excuses are being used by Denis.

Hell, I reckon, we'd do better with a captain-coach for the rest of the year. Denis has contributed absolutely nothing this year.


How many training sessions have you been to this year?


Zero.

But if all I hear in the media and see on the footy pitch is our poor skills and training watchers all don't see skills training, then surely I'm entitled to believe that there isn't much emphasis on skills.

Of course there's skills training at public sessions. :?
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LOL

When i went last year. There was no emphasis on skills... Match simulation under no pressure. And there were plenty of turnovers.

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CarltonClem wrote:
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What gets me is that Pagan then complains about our lack of skills.

So WHY AREN'T THERE SKILLS SESSIONS???

And not just any old skills sessions, but why not under some pressure? Learn to hit targets under pressure. It's crap coaching - and the same old excuses are being used by Denis.

Hell, I reckon, we'd do better with a captain-coach for the rest of the year. Denis has contributed absolutely nothing this year.


How many training sessions have you been to this year?


Zero.

But if all I hear in the media and see on the footy pitch is our poor skills and training watchers all don't see skills training, then surely I'm entitled to believe that there isn't much emphasis on skills.


So its your assumption that there is no skills training?

Thanks, thats all I wanted to know

:garthp:

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TruBlueBrad wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
What gets me is that Pagan then complains about our lack of skills.

So WHY AREN'T THERE SKILLS SESSIONS???

And not just any old skills sessions, but why not under some pressure? Learn to hit targets under pressure. It's crap coaching - and the same old excuses are being used by Denis.

Hell, I reckon, we'd do better with a captain-coach for the rest of the year. Denis has contributed absolutely nothing this year.


How many training sessions have you been to this year?


Zero.

But if all I hear in the media and see on the footy pitch is our poor skills and training watchers all don't see skills training, then surely I'm entitled to believe that there isn't much emphasis on skills.


So its your assumption that there is no skills training?

Thanks, thats all I wanted to know

:garthp:



Like anything in life.. if the preparation is spot on it would translate out in the workplace.

You cant tell me we have the only 40 players on lists that cant kick.... :garthp:

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The board controls the coaching department who control the output of the players.

The board should change the coaching department to change the output of the players.

:idea:

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The board controls the coaching department who control the output of the players.

The board should change the coaching department to change the output of the players.

:idea:


The testical fortitude controls the board to control the coaching dept who control the output of the players...
The board should grow some balls to to become a real board for a crisis to control the coaching dept who control the players...

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JuzzCarlton wrote:
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Instead of venting your anger here, why not put your typing fingers to better use because there's an easy solution to all of this

You should shut down the CSC if you have a problem with supporters complaining about Pagan because that's the only thing they do on that site.
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SIGN THE SackPagan.com PETITION !!!

What will that achieve other than pumping up a Hobbit's ego?


You really have no idea do you ???? :shock:

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Synbad wrote:
budzy wrote:
The board controls the coaching department who control the output of the players.

The board should change the coaching department to change the output of the players.

:idea:


The testical fortitude controls the board to control the coaching dept who control the output of the players...
The board should grow some balls to to become a real board for a crisis to control the coaching dept who control the players...

If the board doesn't have the balls to change the coaching dept to change the output of the the players.... :takes a breath: .....the members will have to change the board to change the coaching dept to change the output of the players. 8)

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And given that at least 50% of the board will be up for election after this season- maybe a greater percentage - a complete change of power and President is very feasable.

Maybe a TC Ticket could be formed!!!
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Maybe a TC Ticket could be formed!!!


Yeah Italian Blue!!!
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