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If anyone from Carlton, supporters and thread posters alike could perhaps ever spell his name correctly he may consider a position on the board, for F@%&#! sake its Maclure. He's a triple premiership player and captain spell his F@%&#! name right. :roll:


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You're a very funny man!!! :-D :-D
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If anyone from Carlton, supporters and thread posters alike could perhaps ever spell his name correctly he may consider a position on the board, for F@%&#! sake its Maclure. He's a triple premiership player and captain spell his F@%&#! name right. :roll:


They might remember him from such premiership teams as 1982.....

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I'm a bit disapointed in McClure. Sure Smorgon doesn't have a plan - we all know that. But at least he was going to someone who might help create one. Pretty piss poor really - he was asked to come onto the board to help guide the future then bags the place because they don't hve a plan. The one thing I'll say for Smorgon is that least he is putting in time - trying - its not his fault he the wrong person for the job. McClure was offered the chance to be part of the solution and chose to sit back in his compfy chair and critisize.


The high level plan and strategic direction needs to come from the top. If you are going to ask someone to come in and ask "where do we go from here?" then you probably shouldnt be at the top.

Its like being asked to join the maiden trip on the titantic as the captains navigational consultant... you'd hope the captain would have an idea how to navigate the Atlantic himself. :)

Having said that I think the smorgon needs to be given some time to show what he's got planned. If anything.
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Smorgons plans.
And he says them very robotically.


*"We will continue on wityh the things decided by the board because they were decided as a board"
*"We will press the AFL for assistance"
*"We are commited to the redvelopment of the ground"
*"We will continue to go for youth"

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AGRO wrote:
If anyone from Carlton, supporters and thread posters alike could perhaps ever spell his name correctly he may consider a position on the board, for F@%&#! sake its Maclure. He's a triple premiership player and captain spell his F@%&#! name right. :roll:


fair point.

fixed.

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Abaddon wrote:
carlton is in the business of winning games of football.
not until the club starts to have winning seasons can the off-field financial problems be rectified.

you can't make money losing 18 of 22 games of football per season. not when you have no money to begin with.

because the list is so poor, and the kids are mostly just very average and while some will be decent contributors in the future they won't be stars, which is what a list as bad as carltons needs.
2-3 years and a winning team will result in winning off the field. the board just has to put the measurements in place to absolutely capitalise when the good team arrives. and AFL is cyclical, carlton may have been above average in the VFL, but are very much a middle of the road football club now, both in performance, support and interest. the time will come, like it has for geelong, st kilda, bulldogs etc.

west coast, adelaide, Essendon* and collingwood can control their own destiny. carlton cannot. the cyclical nature of AFL will.


Wasnt Collingwood still making profits when they were crap?

They had a good president who had a good plan! we have a president who doesnt have a plan or the ability to turn this club into a winning club.


but they didn't have a 12 million dollar debt!!!!!!
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ballistic blues wrote:
Fabulous wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
carlton is in the business of winning games of football.
not until the club starts to have winning seasons can the off-field financial problems be rectified.

you can't make money losing 18 of 22 games of football per season. not when you have no money to begin with.

because the list is so poor, and the kids are mostly just very average and while some will be decent contributors in the future they won't be stars, which is what a list as bad as carltons needs.
2-3 years and a winning team will result in winning off the field. the board just has to put the measurements in place to absolutely capitalise when the good team arrives. and AFL is cyclical, carlton may have been above average in the VFL, but are very much a middle of the road football club now, both in performance, support and interest. the time will come, like it has for geelong, st kilda, bulldogs etc.

west coast, adelaide, Essendon* and collingwood can control their own destiny. carlton cannot. the cyclical nature of AFL will.


Wasnt Collingwood still making profits when they were crap?

They had a good president who had a good plan! we have a president who doesnt have a plan or the ability to turn this club into a winning club.


but they didn't have a 12 million dollar debt!!!!!!

Geelong has one as big as ours per member....

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Collingwood received money from the AFL because they needed help and I bet they didn't have to jump through as many hoops as Carlton, North, Melbourne and the Dogs.


When did Collingwood receive money from the AFL? Why, and how much?
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Totally agree with Speedy.

Maclure made some good points, but why should he refuse to join because he thought the board did not have appropriate plans moving forward???

That is EXACTLY why he should have said "I will join, I have a plan..."

It smacked of him wanting someone else to do the hard work and then let him come in and take a seat and the glory--- if he wants to be a leader, he should act, not talk.

having said all that, i would be happy for maclure to join because at least he is passionate, and has some ideas.

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The problem is any newie wont have any influence on this board.
Theyre commited to certain things and they dont like factions.

So id do the same thing if i was Maclure....

If they were going to continue down the same road of stupidity why join?
Theyre not going to listen to Johnny come lately .. i can assure you.

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Effes wrote:
Andain wrote:
Fabulous wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
carlton is in the business of winning games of football.
not until the club starts to have winning seasons can the off-field financial problems be rectified.

you can't make money losing 18 of 22 games of football per season. not when you have no money to begin with.

because the list is so poor, and the kids are mostly just very average and while some will be decent contributors in the future they won't be stars, which is what a list as bad as carltons needs.
2-3 years and a winning team will result in winning off the field. the board just has to put the measurements in place to absolutely capitalise when the good team arrives. and AFL is cyclical, carlton may have been above average in the VFL, but are very much a middle of the road football club now, both in performance, support and interest. the time will come, like it has for geelong, st kilda, bulldogs etc.

west coast, adelaide, Essendon* and collingwood can control their own destiny. carlton cannot. the cyclical nature of AFL will.


Wasnt Collingwood still making profits when they were crap?

They had a good president who had a good plan! we have a president who doesnt have a plan or the ability to turn this club into a winning club.

Collingwood didn't have a 7 million dollar debt.


Collingwood also did not cheat


Collingwood didn't get caught

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The Hun thought it worth a report:

[url=http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,19287619%255E19762,00.html]Maclure: Get a plan
[/url]

My information is that Smorgan would agree with Maclure: There was no plan under Collins, on any of the points raised:

Getting rid of the debt;
Succession for Pagan;
development of the team.

I thought that Maclure was approached to assist with the development of such a plan. But I guess it was worse than he thought.

Some quotes:


Quote:
"If I take off my radio hat now and become a Carlton person, there are really some things that need to be done.


Quote:
"The culture of the club is completely different to what I have ever known.


Quote:
"The competitiveness is not there, the proudness, the hard work on and off the field to be a successful club is not there and they need to develop that.


[/quote]

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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Andain wrote:
Fabulous wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
carlton is in the business of winning games of football.
not until the club starts to have winning seasons can the off-field financial problems be rectified.

you can't make money losing 18 of 22 games of football per season. not when you have no money to begin with.

because the list is so poor, and the kids are mostly just very average and while some will be decent contributors in the future they won't be stars, which is what a list as bad as carltons needs.
2-3 years and a winning team will result in winning off the field. the board just has to put the measurements in place to absolutely capitalise when the good team arrives. and AFL is cyclical, carlton may have been above average in the VFL, but are very much a middle of the road football club now, both in performance, support and interest. the time will come, like it has for geelong, st kilda, bulldogs etc.

west coast, adelaide, Essendon* and collingwood can control their own destiny. carlton cannot. the cyclical nature of AFL will.


Wasnt Collingwood still making profits when they were crap?

They had a good president who had a good plan! we have a president who doesnt have a plan or the ability to turn this club into a winning club.

Collingwood didn't have a 7 million dollar debt.


Collingwood also did not cheat


Collingwood didn't get caught


Collingwood weren't punished if they were caught

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Mickstar wrote:
Now we know who Synbad really is.Its Mark Maclure.

After reading the quotes in that Herald Sun article, I'm inclined to agree...
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
GodisNavyBlue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Andain wrote:
Fabulous wrote:
Abaddon wrote:
carlton is in the business of winning games of football.
not until the club starts to have winning seasons can the off-field financial problems be rectified.

you can't make money losing 18 of 22 games of football per season. not when you have no money to begin with.

because the list is so poor, and the kids are mostly just very average and while some will be decent contributors in the future they won't be stars, which is what a list as bad as carltons needs.
2-3 years and a winning team will result in winning off the field. the board just has to put the measurements in place to absolutely capitalise when the good team arrives. and AFL is cyclical, carlton may have been above average in the VFL, but are very much a middle of the road football club now, both in performance, support and interest. the time will come, like it has for geelong, st kilda, bulldogs etc.

west coast, adelaide, Essendon* and collingwood can control their own destiny. carlton cannot. the cyclical nature of AFL will.


Wasnt Collingwood still making profits when they were crap?

They had a good president who had a good plan! we have a president who doesnt have a plan or the ability to turn this club into a winning club.

Collingwood didn't have a 7 million dollar debt.


Collingwood also did not cheat


Collingwood didn't get caught


Collingwood weren't punished if they were caught


Collingwood married Mary Magdelene and had a child

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I thought i was Jake Niall.. or Kenny Sheldon...

Look.. the board is a joke.. and its not just me disillusioned with it and passing those observations over time in Talking Carlton...there are a few others too..

(And giving reasons and suggestions)

Its just obvious what is going on and what should be going on...

The club is just paralysed with fear... theyre in a situation that we have never been caught in before and theyre unsure what to do.
The only thing you can do is bite the bullet and change.. and make the hard calls...

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Synbad wrote:
I thought i was Jake Niall.. or Kenny Sheldon...

Look.. the board is a joke.. and its not just me disillusioned with it and passing those observations over time in Talking Carlton...there are a few others too..

(And giving reasons and suggestions)

Its just obvious what is going on and what should be going on...

The club is just paralysed with fear... theyre in a situation that we have never been caught in before and theyre unsure what to do.
The only thing you can do is bite the bullet and change.. and make the hard calls...


Right again Syners - we need ticket of 5 top people to take on the 5 up for election next year.
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Speedy wrote:
Synbad wrote:
I thought i was Jake Niall.. or Kenny Sheldon...

Look.. the board is a joke.. and its not just me disillusioned with it and passing those observations over time in Talking Carlton...there are a few others too..

(And giving reasons and suggestions)

Its just obvious what is going on and what should be going on...

The club is just paralysed with fear... theyre in a situation that we have never been caught in before and theyre unsure what to do.
The only thing you can do is bite the bullet and change.. and make the hard calls...


Right again Syners - we need ticket of 5 top people to take on the 5 up for election next year.

VIVA LA SYNBAD!

Sorry... couldn't resist. :D
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I'm with Mark Maclure....glad he said what he thought and didnt sugar coat....if the board couldnt present him with a decent plan then its time to find a board/Directors who can...

I agree with his thoughts on the coaching situation hoewever I think Mitchell doesnt deserve to be bracketed with Pagan, Elshaugh and Libba....

Michael Voss would be an excellent choice...

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Speedy wrote:
we need ticket of 5 top people to take on the 5 up for election next year.

Any suggestions Speedy?

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