They dont like him...
He has no answers...
His tactics and philosophies are dated...


He doesnt have to kick the ball to hurt us.. thats enough!!!


youre silly...

any other questions for me to answer ..??

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The problem with what Pagan did on Sat is that he failed to capitalise on Carlton's 10 minute/5 goal burst in the 2nd quarter. With a burst like that the players suddenly had confidence and belief that they could match the Crows without going defensive. So what does he do, tells them to go out in the 3rd quarter and play defensively so we have a chance of being in touch by the last.

Please!

Why not tell them to play the same way they did when they kicked 5 goals in 10 minutes, an attacking type of football that actually ahd the players believing in themselves again and sending a surge of adrenalin through their vains. Doesn't that make more sense rather than to tell them to play the way they did in the first quarter when the Crows kicked 6000 points before we scored (alright I'm exageratting but you get the picture).

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The buck stops with the coach in respect to games plan, match-ups, communication as well as player skills. If the players aren't disposing of the ball well that's the coach's responsibilty. If "silky-skilled" player's are missing targets because they're careless or unfocussed it usually mean some lack of respect for the coach, another important aspect of coaching, but we kind of gathered anyway and probably the major reason why we are in this predicament. Twenty 10 goal plus losses in 75 games since Pagan's tenure began, a ratio of less than 1 in 4, is probably indicatative this.

Talking "silly", I mentioned the word then promptly spelt it wrong!!!!!!!

Clanger rates:

McGrath 20%
Fevola 19.8%
Waite 19%
Betts 17%
Lappin 16%
Kouta 15.5%
Murphy 14%
Stevens 13.9%
Whitnall 13.3%
Walker 13.2%
Scotland 13%
Simpson 10.5%
Carrazzo 10.2%
Thornton 10.1%
Houla 9.7%
Bentick 9.4%

any more info on this ?

seems to go against what the players have been telling us .. wasnt fev's telling us he's ok just last week ?

sure .. lets sack him, bring in a caretaker .. get a few wins cos we're "pumped up and excited about the new attitude in the place" then when the dust settles our list is still very average

i agree that denis isnt going to be our next premiership coach .. but he probly should see out his contract


.. go blues ..

you also naively spelt naive wrong


(just joking around)

.. go blues ..

See page 2.

so some of the older players are depressed cos they arent ever going to win a flag .. must be tough going to 250k + a year job (even tho they still get paid when we get flogged)

lappin and whitnall arent the future .. we already know lapps didnt really want to stay at the club

until murphy simpson bentick walker come out and say "pagan is an old tosser" then i'm not convinced the playing group hate him


more evidence required


.. go blues ..

where can you get these sorts of stats from ?
they're more interesting than just kicks marks handballs !

Synbad honest question, can you honestly say that Denis believes he has the cattle to work with to get this team back to the top......

He knows what has to be done and that is not winning games...... He is a smart man and knows what its going to take to get us back to where this club belongs

The offield stuff will take care of its self by the help of a team in a few years time dominating the competition, and we aint going to dominate unless we have first crack at the best young kids coming through

MORE POWER TO DENIS

Clanger counts, possessions:
http://heraldsun6.virtualsports.com.au/ ... rs2&team=3

Errors:
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/tea ... 10&tid=103

I think the reason for the high clangers are due to players unable to find options and hit targets in the flood. We are also so slow to move the ball
everyone is covered by the time we kick it and have to kick to contests.

More power to Denis????

To do what???

Look he hasnt got the cattle to win flags... i know he doesnt...

But he is the only man in history to have his side thrashed by 10 goals plus every four games over a 3 and a half year period...

What a @#$%&! record eh????

one in four times our players hit the field... they get thrashed by 10 goals plus!!!!...


Now not even StKilda or Fitzroy or the Brissy Bears had a coach with that record... and this is the rea of defensive ... non free flowing football!!!

So imagine if this team was around 10 years ago eh???

Can you imabine that bullistic???When teams used to actually play a free flowing attcking brand???

Do we really have the worst team in history???Really??.. theyre not finals contenders... but is this an amateur side forced to play the game at a professional level???


Can you do yourself a favour bullistic??You and Anfield...???

Can you take a peek out our percentage since Denis has been here???

Just to satisfy an itch i have....

Look it up and then post it on here... fo all to see!!!....

Cattle or coach???


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... hard one....

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2003 66.72%
2004 81.66%
2005 75.51%
2006 74.12%

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lukey blackwell .. the perfect record .. great stuff !

.. go lukey ..

.. go blues ..

Ah yes, '03 was a great year wasn't it!

Averages For and Against:

2003:

Pts For: 81.1
Pts Agst: 121.5

2004:

Pts For: 83
Pts Agst: 101.6

2005:

Pts For: 91.6
Pts Agst: 121.4

2006:

Pts For: 75.1 (Worst Average for of any team since my records began in 2003.)
Pts Agst: 101.3

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now hang on, we also get no bog grounds, no western oval wind, no home ground advantage, plus you get TD and MCG and travel interstate to Subie, etc etc so please, no comparing of apples to oranges, it doesn't mean anything.

Best to simply say 1 in 4 games and let that damning stat do its work without tossing the other shit in.

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Those percentages there have nothing to do with cattle over a four year period.. they have more to do with 'other things'.

shit cattle over four years with a coach that was good would have them improving slowly... were actually going backwards...

Now where is the game plan thats been developed over 4 years???

Surely with a rock solid coaching era we have a game plan???
What are we trying to do...????

Join the dots and plot out our evolution from 4 years ago to today...

We have evolved havent we???
Surely we have improved a gameplan and were fine tuning it now???

It took 20 million years to evolve from the stone age... and only 4 years to return to it....!!!

We have no gameplan... we have no kids that are being developed to the point theyre AFL footballers... we have no skills.. we get thrashed by more than 60 points each 4 times were out there..

But when we say 1 in 4 thrashings over ten oals were not taking in to account all the other spankings over 40 and over 50 points...

This is a SPANKATHON!!!...

.. and you know something???..... its not about to end!!!...

and you kow something else???.... the gun coach doesnt have the answers.. he even says so..

And you know something else again??... after almost 4 years he refuses to be accountable... something he wants to teach the players to be on the field.. but he cant do!!!

so where are we heading???

Whether he / i/ we/ like it or not... hes gone!!!... it might not be today... it might not be tomorrow.. but sooner rather than later he has to pack his things and leave the PP house..!!!
So i wanna know why we dont just cut to the chase!!!

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The other shit as you call it paints the story....

Denis is big on stats isnt he???... who is getting the contested ball.. wo isnt.. who misses targets .. who doesnt???

Can he explain all the stats???

Is it because other coaches are better than he is... more than other players are better than ours???

He can point the fingers cant he??... McLeod and Johncock eh??? What players.. who wouldnt want them coming out of half back???

Is that so he can add them to Lappin .. Houla.. simmo... Walker... Stevens.. Scotland... Carrazzo...etc? all behind the ball???

Is he a tripper or what??

Fixation on turning everyone into a hbf???

Well news alert!!!.. the other teams also have a midfleid!!!

sheeeeeeeeeeeshhhh!!!

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money

scared board

and Agro can't seem to get the donations rolling in.

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