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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:37 pm 
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2003 66.72%
2004 81.66%
2005 75.51%
2006 74.12%


Good stats lol hmmmm wel pretty obvious with stats like that our game plan revolves around having the ball in our forward line 60 - 70% of the time and in our forward line 30 - 40%

Hmm may explain our game plan of 16 players behind the ball and 2 player in the forwward line


Daming stats and back up our Current game plan may not have always been that but the list is better than what it was 2-3 year ago i believe that but looking at how we play you would think our list wouldnt play Bullants reserves if the list is improving but the results are remaining the same or getting worse then has to be the coaching / assistants / game plan.

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All i know is those stats suggest under Denis we have been pumped more times than a Danish porn star...

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Well at least someone is having fun at our expense lol

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All i know is those stats suggest under Denis we have been pumped more times than a Danish porn star...


77 games as coach

43 off beaten by more that 4 goals

14 off beaten by less than 4 goals

19 wins
7 off by more than 4
12 off by less than 4


thats what you call getting pumped

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Thanks for the earlier posts mojo - enjoyed those.

Regarding coaching tactics, I read in the Age that Sherman from the Lions had said Mathews instructions had changed to backing the players to run and carry. Said that Mathews wouyld back them every time doing that, mistakes or not.

Now, I'm not sure that has made, or will make a massive difference to the Lions prospects over the coming years, but it is a positive response to a team that has fallen sharply. Sherman, for one, seemed to be enthusiastic about the tactic and I'm sure he represents a lot of the younger Lions.

I would love to see our kids given actual ground time and get similar instructions. Enough of this "run as @#$%&! fast as you can to the backline."

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Thanks for the earlier posts mojo - enjoyed those.

Regarding coaching tactics, I read in the Age that Sherman from the Lions had said Mathews instructions had changed to backing the players to run and carry. Said that Mathews wouyld back them every time doing that, mistakes or not.

Now, I'm not sure that has made, or will make a massive difference to the Lions prospects over the coming years, but it is a positive response to a team that has fallen sharply. Sherman, for one, seemed to be enthusiastic about the tactic and I'm sure he represents a lot of the younger Lions.

I would love to see our kids given actual ground time and get similar instructions. Enough of this "run as F@%&#! fast as you can to the backline."


Sherman is one of those front running ponces who a coach like Matthews could play him in the back pocket to learn the defensive side. Nope.

What he does is play him on the wing and let him go. Run and carry. 1 dimensional kid. But he is 19. They play Adcock and real goers like that back who are great man on man and let a kid like Sherman play as well.

So they are playing to there strengths. No doubt at some point Sherman will round out his game as well. But everyone is different. I dont mind a kid going back. But all of them? 3 years after getting drafted they still need to do it? No midfield but the talenetd kids play on the hbf.

I wathc the Dogs and how Cooney is used. Ray plays wing. Griffen plays back but also runs and carries. He takes blokes on. Higgins comes in last week and plays midfield. Straight away.

Ray is not in the back pocket learning the game. He is a ball runner and is on the wing, running and carrying. He squibs a bit and a hard man like Rocket brings him off. Benches him. He plays again on the wing. Improves. Not benched for 3/4 of the game anymore. He gets more and more ground time and you can see the kid coming along.

By the end of the year they will have a player.

What will we have? Clayton so good as a recruiter is he? Maybe. But unless a player is Marc Murphy and coaches themselves we dont know how to develop them. Treat each player on there merits but sometimes all they need is some confidence and a chance and not to be benched for the slightest infraction.

Of course if they squib a contest then bring them off. But for a turn over or trying something that does not come off then let them go.

Or we can do what we have done with Carrazzo. Never have I seen such a natural ball winner redcued to a sniffling mess so quickly. Gets the ball and immediately stops and chips sideways. You can almost see him thinking of for gods sake dont turn it over. 20m chips sidewayds are great for the stats and wont casue a turn over. We get a lot of those.
No run from behind because young players are scared of an error.

No structure up forward either. So AW turns it over and we get some real "experts" potting him because of his kicking. Turover merchant. Of course he needs to work on it but if you saw the games live you would realize he had no easy option. The thing to do is to stop and chip sidewayd snad not run hard from behind.

Right?

Then no turnovers. But what will we kick? 4 goals in a game.

Surely not?

You want goals then you need to take chances and you need to show flair and initiative. That will mean more mistakes. Playing safe will only cause an inevitiable loss and no development.

Anybody who does not spot the sarcasm I do apologize.


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Mojo, I think we're singing from the same songbook - I only mention Sherman's reaction to Mathews tactic, or gameplan, not wrapping the kid up.

I just felt his enthusiasm for a positive gameplan - ie run and carry is exactly what is missing from our kids development. Just as you've described with Andrew Carrots and Andrew Walker.

30 minutes ground time annoys me, Russel not getting a gig annoys me and myriad other responses by Pagan and the MC to a development period in the club's history really get me riled.

They are fast extinguishing any glimmer of light at the end of what is becoming a very very long tunnel.

If we don't get real game time under our draftees belts we are just further down the same well trodden path from 2003 onwards.

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Mojo please stop it you are making to much sense :lol: :wink:

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Wild Blue Yonder wrote:
Mojo, I think we're singing from the same songbook - I only mention Sherman's reaction to Mathews tactic, or gameplan, not wrapping the kid up.

I just felt his enthusiasm for a positive gameplan - ie run and carry is exactly what is missing from our kids development. Just as you've described with Andrew Carrots and Andrew Walker.

30 minutes ground time annoys me, Russel not getting a gig annoys me and myriad other responses by Pagan and the MC to a development period in the club's history really get me riled.

They are fast extinguishing any glimmer of light at the end of what is becoming a very very long tunnel.

If we don't get real game time under our draftees belts we are just further down the same well trodden path from 2003 onwards.

cheers


I agree with you 100% mate.

I just needed to get a few shots into the MC and our lack of development as well.

We are gloing to get the rest of the year as a "grace period". Where everyone knows we are a poor side and wont come down to hard on us. We will get criticism but wont go over the top.
Teams like Geelong and the Saints will get the real torch this year if they dont pickup. Or Freo.

So we can use the rest of the year to develop our kids. Because if we are stuck like this next year we will be in for far serious problems. So sorting through the kids now and getting a better idea makes good solid strategic sense.


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Wild Blue Yonder wrote:
Thanks for the earlier posts mojo - enjoyed those.

Regarding coaching tactics, I read in the Age that Sherman from the Lions had said Mathews instructions had changed to backing the players to run and carry. Said that Mathews wouyld back them every time doing that, mistakes or not.

Now, I'm not sure that has made, or will make a massive difference to the Lions prospects over the coming years, but it is a positive response to a team that has fallen sharply. Sherman, for one, seemed to be enthusiastic about the tactic and I'm sure he represents a lot of the younger Lions.

I would love to see our kids given actual ground time and get similar instructions. Enough of this "run as F@%&#! fast as you can to the backline."


add to that the faith shown in the younger richmond players by wallace


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Please Mojo, apply for the coaching position will you.
Love your work.


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Synbad wrote:
All i know is those stats suggest under Denis we have been pumped more times than a Danish porn star...



Although I do remember this Swedish lass who ........ :P

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Clanger rates:

McGrath 20%
Fevola 19.8%
Waite 19%
Betts 17%
Lappin 16%
Kouta 15.5%
Murphy 14%
Stevens 13.9%
Whitnall 13.3%
Walker 13.2%
Scotland 13%
Simpson 10.5%
Carrazzo 10.2%
Thornton 10.1%
Houla 9.7%
Bentick 9.4%


Dont't let stats and facts get in the way of another houla bagging BW. :evil:

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Not good reading

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1: Rd22 2003 Kangaroos 124pts
2: Rd15 2003 West Coast 116pts
3: Rd10 2004 StKilda 108pts
4: Rd6 2004 Melbourne 105pts
5: Rd21 2005 Essendon* 99pts
6: Rd8 2006 StKilda 92pts
7: Rd20 2003 StKilda 91pts
8: Rd7 2005 Richmond 85 pts
9: Rd15 2004 Port Adel 83 pts
10: Rd15 2005 StKilda 80pts
11: Rd9 2003 Brisbane 77pts
12: Rd14 2005 West Coast 77pts
13: Rd21 2003 Hawthorn 74pts
14: Rd1 2003 Sydney 74pts
15: Rd17 2003 Collingwood 73pts
16: Rd6 2006 Collingwood 72pts
17: Rd8 2005 Geelong 70pts
18: Rd9 2006 Adelaide 64 pts
19: Rd20 2004 West Coast 62pts
20: Rd12 2005 Brisbane 58 pts

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Dukes wrote:
Dont't let stats and facts get in the way of another houla bagging BW. :evil:



Did you hear 'The Shiek' last night on 3AW when they were talking about overated players?? Did he go to town on him. :roll:

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TheGame wrote:
Not good reading

Quote:
1: Rd22 2003 Kangaroos 124pts
2: Rd15 2003 West Coast 116pts
3: Rd10 2004 StKilda 108pts
4: Rd6 2004 Melbourne 105pts
5: Rd21 2005 Essendon* 99pts
6: Rd8 2006 StKilda 92pts
7: Rd20 2003 StKilda 91pts
8: Rd7 2005 Richmond 85 pts
9: Rd15 2004 Port Adel 83 pts
10: Rd15 2005 StKilda 80pts
11: Rd9 2003 Brisbane 77pts
12: Rd14 2005 West Coast 77pts
13: Rd21 2003 Hawthorn 74pts
14: Rd1 2003 Sydney 74pts
15: Rd17 2003 Collingwood 73pts
16: Rd6 2006 Collingwood 72pts
17: Rd8 2005 Geelong 70pts
18: Rd9 2006 Adelaide 64 pts
19: Rd20 2004 West Coast 62pts
20: Rd12 2005 Brisbane 58 pts


I wonder, how does that stack up against other poorly performed clubs of the past three and a half years?


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PS: whilst I'm looking forward to the game at the Gabba, I'm not looking forward to the result. It could be highly embarrassing. I might have to hide in a corner of the Pinapple Hotel after the game.


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