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Denis can do what he likes, he knows the club are in no position to rid of him. The best thing for this club is to finish the lowest we can and maybe win only 3 games so we qualify for a priority pick.

This years draft has great depth so its possible tp pick up a Dal Santo at 14 or a Matty Mcguire at 30, so it call comes down to our recruiting and how well we recruit.


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Denis can do what he likes, he knows the club are in no position to rid of him. The best thing for this club is to finish the lowest we can and maybe win only 3 games so we qualify for a priority pick.

This years draft has great depth so its possible tp pick up a Dal Santo at 14 or a Matty Mcguire at 30, so it call comes down to our recruiting and how well we recruit.


The thread is called i had a drink with a SA recruiter .. not im drunk...

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Synbad wrote:
ballistic blues wrote:
Denis can do what he likes, he knows the club are in no position to rid of him. The best thing for this club is to finish the lowest we can and maybe win only 3 games so we qualify for a priority pick.

This years draft has great depth so its possible tp pick up a Dal Santo at 14 or a Matty Mcguire at 30, so it call comes down to our recruiting and how well we recruit.


The thread is called i had a drink with a SA recruiter .. not im drunk...


You are right Synbad I wasnt drunk...yet. I did that later and nearly got into some biff with Fabian Deluca at the Havelock Hotel because I accidently said that he is more talented than his brother.

The problem si that I am a 5.8 Rover and he is approx 6.6 (same neck extension issues as his bro). Fortunatelt Pettigrew understood the joke.
I have a feeling the Deluca's are not blessed with brains or a sense of humor.

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Good to see Fab has a bit of agro in him... :wink:

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Good to see Fab has a bit of agro in him... :wink:


A little, he seemed confused. I think he wasnt sure if I was giving him praise or shitting in his mouth.

It was the latter.

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We get a gun kid this year.. and so do eight other clubs.
And by gun i mean maybe even better than Murphy.. so we need every edge we can get.
Because right now were playing catch up .I also agree with Mojo that the time is now to see who can do what.. instead of playing it safe.
The whisper is the board has asked/told Denis to change the gameplan again... were meant to be less defensive this week.

We have a coach that the board dictates game plans to these days... I dont understannd why we dont just cut to the chase,
Also on the grapevine barring injury JK is out..


Board: play more kids Denis.
Denis : Sure.

Kids are played. Little impact. Why is this though?

Denis: Kids did not play well. Can I drop them now and bring in a senior player.
Board: okay. Hmm your right they are not quite ready.
Denis: told you so.

So JR gets a couple of games and 40 or 50 minutes and then drops back. Kennedy rots with no system and an uber flood and then benched. Blackwell gets a limited opportunity and of course gets dropped. If you dont get 20 possessions in 50 minutes of football then drop him. Carrazzo a natural ball winner is asked to tag. Starts in the bench and eventually gets dropped.

Of course the kids look lost. Anyone will. Dale Thomas a very skinny kid does not start games. He comes on when the heat is off. He gets a run in middle for a couple of minutes. Then on the wing. Runs into the back pocket for a few cheap kicks. Up forward. They dont allow him to get locked down on. But to give him a few roles and manage him. But he still gets 7o to 80 minutes a game and is not asked to do anything but play his game and see him in different roles and what needs to be wroked on over time.

So we get real lucky and geta quality kid like Murphywho requires almsot no coaching. So we dont stuff him up. But he is not someone who really needs to be developed. He is ready made and smarter than all but a couple on our list. He just needs to get fitter and stronger.
But kids like AW, JR and those types really need development. Those are the ones. They have the "profile" of speed and size but do not have the natural footy smarts of Murphy.

So we use AW to tag some gun runners last year. To get him ready for a midfield role? No we move him back to the hbf where he played most of his TAC football. Whats wrong with playing him there in his 1st year> and not his 3rd? We are crying out for runners in the midfield and while he can play hbf how about we play him midfield/wing for a bit each game and test how much he has learnt.
If it does not work out then move him back and play him as an attacking rebound hbf. We all know he can do that.

Of course we have no midfield. We are using 4 or 5 players when we need to use 10. Its the 1990s model. So we last half a game and then run out of steam. Of course not all of our kids will make it or become AFL midfielders. But if we dont try and start developing them we will never know.

Sick of talk about draft penalties and how crap we are. We have some talnet and need to start developing it. I want to see a real rotation and a few things tried. No more of this using senior player A,B,C and Kid A,B,C is an after thought.


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The kid thing is to appease the supporters.
Its just a perception for perceptions sake.

Thats whats killing them off.

We could have played Livo at fb instead of Martyn.


Our kids are being burnt...

Its ok to say they are getting games.. but you have to look at the roles and the time and the faith invested in them by the MC.

Its so frustrating... imagine being them?

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We need to win no more than 4 games this year so we can qualify for a proper double dip next year if things start to go wrong. Sounds negative but the aim is to win premierships not to develop a squad that can just sneak into the top 8. Just remember at the end of 2004 most of you clowns would have expected us to finish in the top 4 in 2006. Now might be a good time for some of you to start getting realistic and realise we still have the worst list in the AFL.

Winning 5 or 6 games this year is totally pointless, put your own short term selfish thinking and ohhh'ing and ahhh'ing about the prospect of a late win in the year against the Kangaroos - yes some of you wanted us to beat them in round 22 last year. I'm not sure if it was because you are too stupid to realise that picks 1+4 is a lot better than pick 5 in the draft or whether it is because you thought everyone would think you were a 'real supporter' for blindly cheering on Carlton no matter the consequences.

Important decisions need to be made at the end of this year

Waite - Fevola - Whitnall - Stevens

All traded ensuring we get some quality draft picks this year in the 'super draft' and also ensuring we win no more than 4 next year so we qualify for a real 'double dip'. We then are starting to put together the nucleus for a team with outstanding potential.

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So Carlton God - are you advocating... Tanking?

That's superb! We lose games, and we end up with higher picks. Sheer genius, I'm kind of surprised no one has thought of it before...

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Synbad wrote:
The kid thing is to appease the supporters.
Its just a perception for perceptions sake.

Thats whats killing them off.

We could have played Livo at fb instead of Martyn.


Our kids are being burnt...

Its ok to say they are getting games.. but you have to look at the roles and the time and the faith invested in them by the MC.

Its so frustrating... imagine being them?



But I played the kids and they did not get 30 possessions says Denis. Yes Denis your right.

But you played them for half a game and played them back or yanked them off when they made the slightest mistake.
You brought them on when the other team were running all over us. When Scotland, Stevens and Kouta were spent and asked them to run down 4 oppsotion players.

You bring Livo in, release Thornton to CHB and Lance goes forward. Lance and Fev up forward. Kennedy learning from Lance on the ground. The midfield gets some structure and guys like Kade, Muprhy, AB get someone to kick to. They develop.

We loose by 10 goals against Adelaide but get something out of it. More like we lose by less if we do that but foegtetting the result we develop a little against ther hardest running most physical side in the comp.
There you go Kade, Murphy and AB there is your mark. What you have to reach.

We give Livo one last shot at it. Lance forward. Doi this while Waite and Fisher are injured. Then when they are ready we can drop Livo if his from is not there. Sign his papers. Look him in the eye and know we gave him a real go at it. Lance goes back with Waite and Fish back in.

Or maybe Livo is doing okay. Maybe we try and slot Lance in with Waite and Fish. Or not. Maybe Thornton struggles at CHB. Maybe he is up to it. Not sure.

All I know is that I would try. I would be looking at these injuries as a real opportunity to move Lance away from thje backline and challenge Livo. Heres a chance mate. You are getting a number of games. Good luck.

Thornton, we are moving you up the ground. Give us some run. We really need you to organise us back there. We think you have got some leadership in you. We think you can become the player you were in 2002/3. I dont want any dispalys of emotion from you anymore. Here is a tape of James Clement when he gets a bad decision against him. Boy he is a gun. Can you see how professional he is. There is another player coming through who is playing like him. Brian Hariss. He used to do the same thing as you Brett but is starting to change his ways.
We want you to do that to. AW and others will look to you. Dont let them down. JR is coming in this week. He will play back and we want you to look after him as best as you can. If he makes s mistake we want you to get over to him as soosn as you can to encourage him.
He is you from 2001. You remember that dont you? How hard it was when you started.

Just a few ideas and things I would be putting forward.


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Synbad wrote:
Also on the grapevine barring injury JK is out..


For De Luca? :roll:


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Synbad wrote:
The kid thing is to appease the supporters.
Its just a perception for perceptions sake.

Thats whats killing them off.

We could have played Livo at fb instead of Martyn.


Our kids are being burnt...

Its ok to say they are getting games.. but you have to look at the roles and the time and the faith invested in them by the MC.

Its so frustrating... imagine being them?



But I played the kids and they did not get 30 possessions says Denis. Yes Denis your right.

But you played them for half a game and played them back or yanked them off when they made the slightest mistake.
You brought them on when the other team were running all over us. When Scotland, Stevens and Kouta were spent and asked them to run down 4 oppsotion players.

You bring Livo in, release Thornton to CHB and Lance goes forward. Lance and Fev up forward. Kennedy learning from Lance on the ground. The midfield gets some structure and guys like Kade, Muprhy, AB get someone to kick to. They develop.

We loose by 10 goals against Adelaide but get something out of it. More like we lose by less if we do that but foegtetting the result we develop a little against ther hardest running most physical side in the comp.
There you go Kade, Murphy and AB there is your mark. What you have to reach.

We give Livo one last shot at it. Lance forward. Doi this while Waite and Fisher are injured. Then when they are ready we can drop Livo if his from is not there. Sign his papers. Look him in the eye and know we gave him a real go at it. Lance goes back with Waite and Fish back in.

Or maybe Livo is doing okay. Maybe we try and slot Lance in with Waite and Fish. Or not. Maybe Thornton struggles at CHB. Maybe he is up to it. Not sure.

All I know is that I would try. I would be looking at these injuries as a real opportunity to move Lance away from thje backline and challenge Livo. Heres a chance mate. You are getting a number of games. Good luck.

Thornton, we are moving you up the ground. Give us some run. We really need you to organise us back there. We think you have got some leadership in you. We think you can become the player you were in 2002/3. I dont want any dispalys of emotion from you anymore. Here is a tape of James Clement when he gets a bad decision against him. Boy he is a gun. Can you see how professional he is. There is another player coming through who is playing like him. Brian Hariss. He used to do the same thing as you Brett but is starting to change his ways.
We want you to do that to. AW and others will look to you. Dont let them down. JR is coming in this week. He will play back and we want you to look after him as best as you can. If he makes s mistake we want you to get over to him as soosn as you can to encourage him.
He is you from 2001. You remember that dont you? How hard it was when you started.

Just a few ideas and things I would be putting forward.


Too imaginative.... :wink:

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tic toc tic toc tic toc .....



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mojo31 wrote:
Just a few ideas and things I would be putting forward.


Great ideas Mojo, but if I could a couple of paragraghs for you?

"And you Fev, sit down and look at this tape of the Saints v Kangas game from Sunday. You will notice how Reiwoldt when the delivery wasn't perfect, followed up for 2nd, 3rd and even 4th efforts. He actually kicked a couple of his goals from persistance and was responsible for a couple more from his efforts. Thats what a KPP player is supposed to do".

And you Stevo, sit down and look at this tape of the Eagles v Dees game from Sunday. You will notice how Cousins puts his head over the ball when it is in dispute. You will also notice how even after getting crunched, blocked, illegally taken out of play that he just rolls his sleeves up and goes again. You will also know that you weren't tagged against the Crows, cause they think you aren't trying anyway".

And you HoolaSkirt.....

It goes on, does it not? :roll:

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Kids need to be challenged to bring out their best not given ridiculous tasks.. like 'FLOODER'

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Agree with Mojo especially with Livo...he has never been allowed to settle or have some Zac Dawson slack cut his way..
You also have to look at the leadership ....our kids are left to fend for themselves, no Barry Hall , Mark Riccuito, Michael Voss to guide the way...just fend yourself buddy I'm busy trying to get a kick and work out my next contract or get a media deal.....you figure out where to run to while I figure how much I should be asking for next year....and if Darren Milburn starts hassling you just ask one of your young mates for help..I'm not available......thats the leadership they have been getting....

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If Murphy is a Cousins then Gibbs is a Judd.


My bowels just loosened.


I shouldn't be reading this at work, I won't be able to leave my desk :-D

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I don't want us to lose games or tank but I'm not sure that we can win more than 2 more games this season so I'm all for experimenting and giving the kids as much game time as possible.

Personally I would like to have seen JK be given a chance at CHB or as the tall back pocket.


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Stevens said that while it was planned for Gibbs to meet the Dons and Roos during the season, he would not see any other clubs before the national under-18 championships. "He's got a very, very important carnival coming up with the national under-18 championships," Stevens said.

While Stevens said Gibbs was only one of several youngsters vying to be first pick in the draft, the expectation within the football world is that he is certain to be among the top three and the clearcut favourite to be first name called out.


That Journo must be the only person who hasn't read Mojo's profiles.

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So JR gets a couple of games and 40 or 50 minutes and then drops back. Kennedy rots with no system and an uber flood and then benched. Blackwell gets a limited opportunity and of course gets dropped. If you dont get 20 possessions in 50 minutes of football then drop him.

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