I saw those tackles! but mate how often does he do that? how many times has he done it for this year? Only a few!
Make an effort in chasing a player this year? so he needs to make an effort to do that? He is SUPPOSE to chase down a player, you cannot call him bust his guts out when he is just doing what everyone is expected to do. Busting gut is when he makes a tackle, gets up and makes ANOTHER tackle. It's the 2nd effort, not the 1st!!
I'll tell you another lazy thing he does, he doesn't bloody bend his back low enough to pick up the ball, he picks up the ball as slow as big ruckmen.
Don't just focus on the stuff he does, it's the stuff he doesn't do that makes him a lazy, dumb player. Watch some of the games in 1995 or 2000 when we were good, watch how some of our past legends play and how they bust their gut out to win the ball for themselves or teammates!

Look mate, i am not denying that he has done SOME silly and lazy things but to come and and to call him dumb and lazy is not fair...You are implying that he doesn't try...Name another player at the club that hasn't done something dumb this year...Did you not see his three or four efforts last week?? Look i understand where you are coming from but he cannot be relied upon to run players down every single time...He has done the hard work, he has completed extra training sessions and he has been a great character on the field for the younger players (just look at the Essendon* game)...So he isn't perfect ALL of the time...Nobody said he was...I'm just giving credit where it's due...

How could Jarman of wrote the article the story before the game had been played and predicted the tactical change (defensive flood) after half time? Maybe he was just back peddlling.

Anyway would be great if he came to the club as an assistant. Maybe after the meeting with Sticks he wrote the article to highlight his knowledge of the teams deficiencies and show what he believes should be the acceptable standard. Kind of a cover letter detailing his criteria.

did Korn, there is no intelligence in 'you'.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Fev had his worst game for the year but still tried his hardest.

I wouldn't call him selfish either - if anything he was too unselfish trying to pass to other players when he was 55 out - normally he would go back and drill them but this week he was passing and a few of the passes went bad.

I think its correct to say Fev is the easy target. But be honest, if he was going to bag any of the Carlton players, Fev's the only one that would make people pick up the paper and read it. Lance is in great form, Kouta seems untouchable and the rest are relative no-names (for the average opp. supporter anyway), apart from the ex-port players, who Jarman wouldn't bag for fear of giving Port supporters cause to gloat....

Ill tell you what he does do.. he kicks goals for a shithouse side.

Fev doesnt need to be a blue collar footballer...

He is a one man forward line being led away from the goals because wankers say he should chase some ridiculous fullback..

I bet he already has more tackles than Kernahan...

Throw him in those sides and he would be a human wrecking ball for us..

Do you want him to flood more too???

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agree with you there synbad, its shits me to see when fev chases hard, out of te 50...then all of a sudden the ball comes back and we have no-one inside 50. fev should play out of the square and never leave the 50.

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"All in all is all we are..."

and this is what shits me no end about Pagan and why, for me, i dont think he is the right coach for us.

he did against Richmond and he did it against Adelaide.

It was his changes, that saw us having the momentum in a game changed, due to him going defensive.

we won the 2nd quarter which was a surprised to me, but it also game me hope, that yes, if we "back" ourselves in, we are a chance, even against the better sides.

can we do it for 4 quarters? i dont know, but i would far prefer to play week in week out like we did in the 2nd quarter and lose, than play like we did in the 1st & 3rd quarter and lose.

but please, im trying desperately, can someone please explain to me why Pagan would make such a move? Ive been thinking about it for days and am yet to come up with something.

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Ken Sheldon on last night's 'Run Home' on SEN said he was at the game and thought the wind was a 4 goal breeze. He thought Pagan's moves were good coaching, the theory being to contain Adelaide in the 3rd qtr and then give ourselves a chance for a crack at them in the 4th. Unfortunately we turned the ball over so many times that we kicked ourselves out of the contest before we got to the 4th qtr.

Sheldon's been a pretty big Pagan supporter on the radio. He often watches the blues and he kind of says similar things to Pagan, ie the kids need time, we are still 3-4 years and 3-4 good draft picks off being a good side again.

The worst coaching of the weekend award went to Laidley for sticking with the loose man in defence, and allowing the saints to do the same when there was only 10 mins to go and they were only 16 or so points down. Didnt give themselves a crack at it even though they were close. Didnt roll the dice!!

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Can you see the similarities in mindset between an organisation like North and an organisation like Carlton???

Theyre sooo shit scared about what might happen tomorrow that they cant get on the front foot.

North will not be in Melbourne long.. they rolled the dice and mortgaged their future for players like Hay, Rawlings(attempted to and in the end got their man ) and Thompson .. and they lost...

Not much coming through.. because they were playing for today and not tomorrow...

GONE!!!


We have to get out of the day to day survival mindset...


As for Sheldon.. dont forget he has a son in the draft realm this year he isnt going to get too brave in what he says against Denis.

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The only things Fev's done that have shat me majorly this year have been the cute little checkside shots at open goals against adel & St K…apart from that I agree it's harsh to single him out.

Like Sydney though I reckon it looks like he gets too close to the man on the mark.

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Sometimes I can really understand peoples frustrations and theres some things that are really confusing me atm. And then there's these bit part journos with alterior motives having a crack. What do we believe?

So what has been said over and over is that we could have won against Richmond, Hawthorn, Sydney and we showed some good signs against Adelaide when we were attacking, but all opportunity to win the winnable was taken away from us by Pagan's moves. So we're a good team??

Therefore, if it were not for Pagan's moves we could have had at least 5 wins on the board, giving us no chance for a PP. If we are that good, we'd be ending up somewhere in the middle of the ladder and as a result would miss out on picks 1-8, have pick 9 or 10 and have to wait for our next pick at 25-33.

The more I look at this and the more I read conspiracy views from supporters and journos, the more I'm conviced that Pagan is tanking. The kids do show signs of ability and a better future at times, when given the chance. Pagan knows he's safe (because of our financial state), and if he's as smart as some say as well as stubborn, then he can afford to tank by making moves that most Carlton people deplore.

If tanking is happening, then I understand the reasoning. But because tanking (if true) is secret mens business and there doesn't seem to be a plan for supporters to follow, then no wonder supporters are confused.

What's the game plan? Is Jarman part of the secret plot? Does Sheldon have an agenda? Is Pagan playing god? Is Pagan god? Are we the fools?

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Surely Sheldon would want his son to go to a club where he thought the coach was good and would help his career ie if he thinks Pagan is crap he would be saying so

Yeah trade him. If Fev played in our 95 side he'd have kicked 100+ goals.
In his last 69 games (keep in mind he was on one leg last year) he has averaged over 3 goals a game. Kernahan averaged roughly the same in 95. He has turned his attitude around this season, if you can't see that then you 're either too LAZY to watch or too DUMB to notice.

I thought Sheldon's son was bottom age, hasnt been selected in the Vic Squad and accordingly would be unlikely to get picked up this year as a F/S selection. More likely to go next year I thought, happy to be corrected if anyone knows better.

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Maybe sheldon knows Pagan is done.. and wants to say all the right things in the media...

Beats the Pagan is doing this deliberately theory... cos he isnt.
If he was the board wouldnt be talking to him every week about coaching...

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Well I'll be stuffed, I must have been at a different game on Saturday because there was certainly no breeze to speak of at all. If anything the sun was a major problem in the second half and maybe Denis was thinking of the players welfare in third quarter and put all them into the shade end to which the crows were kicking to.

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If Andrew Jarman had of kicked the sealer at the 14 minute mark of the last quarter in the 93 prelim we would have 17 premierships.

He's a nob!!

I've noticed that in the last couple of games as well, particularly beyond 50m. I don't know whether it's him trying to get that extra bit of distance, but it's certainly not helping his accuracy.

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So did Denis