We Can Win - Pagan

Humpers · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:28 pm **Posts:** 4961

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&s ... eid=272091

I agree with what Pagan has to say about the development of youngsters in this article, however Jordan Russell should be played this week.

bluecedar · **Joined:** Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:26 pm **Posts:** 462

Its not a impossible task but pretty close to it

GWS · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:09 pm

"We can win..."

Perhaps the mods could merge this thread with the "Little bit of Humour" thread.

Rhys26 · **Joined:** Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:12 am **Posts:** 1730

could be a record defeat coming up

azzablue · **Joined:** Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 1566

We wont even get within 10 goals of them....and thats if we are competitve...

I have a feeling it aint going to be pretty....foxtel have already given it a A0(audlts only) viewing....

mjonc · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:46 pm

Well acting as Mr Positive West Coast might come out flat at a tack after the Geelong come back. Without Judd to ignite them if we jump them at the start a chance we are.

Acting as Mr Realist another 10 goal loss.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:56 pm

I was waiting for the poll - pick the margin

10 goals +
12 goals +
14 goals +
16 Goal +
18 Goals +
20 or more
Score board not big enough :cry:

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

Quote:

"We always think we're a chance. We came in Monday disappointed. Players get over that hump Young kids are keen as mustard. They lift the spirit of the place and you genuinely think you go over there with an opportunity to win," Pagan said when addressing the media at MC Labour Park on Wednesday.

He says this every week. And every week we lose.

keogh · **Joined:** Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:36 am **Posts:** 6476

Last year we were ahead at half time in the same game then lost by 80 odd points.The law of mathematics states we are a chance but thats about it. Odds wc $1.03 Car $8.25 Get on?????

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

he isnt really going to say that we are going to lose is he?
this post is dumb.
i think we will be within 50 points.
will have $20 on carlton less than 40 points

bondiblue · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:07 pm

I thought Pagan's view was pretty honest. Take out Kouta and it's a very very young squad.

We've got groups of players, in their teens, early 20's, mid 20's and Whitnall 27, Lappin 30, French 31 and Kouta 32. Bloody young, and young bodies are that aren't fully developed; in height and weight (let alone the skill to play at elite level; to our expectations).

But it was against the eagles we played on a hot balmy night, (them without Cousins, Kerr and Judd) that this team of ours beat them!!

This time it's on their turf (with the inclusion of Cousins and Kerr), and they're playing hot footy. In fact, hey kicked 8 goals in the last quarter last week after they had been battered from pillar to post, but they still have to beat us. We're one up on the eagles in 2006.

If the eagles are not on their game (without Judd) Carlton can pull off a 'miracle' win. Why not? It's not the first time an upset has happened.

All our older guys are not helping our team much atm (Whitnall is not old, he's peaking), and it's the groups of guys mid 20's and kids in the early 20's that are carrying this group, and one teen star. So it wouldn't really be fair to expect the group still in their teens (first years of their footy career) to have to 'survive' in the seniors without much support. Pagan's right about the potential for damage.

Nevertheless, the eagles owe us, and that's in the back of their minds. That alone is incentive enough to beat us. On form they are perhaps a 20 goal better team, and playing on their own turf (a very big ground) definetely favours them.

Carlton have 'proven' they can win. Pagan's right, Carlton have won many quarters and halves this year, therefore it's believable that if the 'cards' fall our way against the eagles we could win.

There are two big questions I have in his ability to coach us a win on this ground. Will he rotate the players on the big ground? Does he understand the strategy of rotations? Pagan holds the 'cards'.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:12 pm

Rhys26 wrote:

could be a record defeat coming up

It's one thing to be positive Rhys, that's great, but we won't beat them by that much.

bluehammer · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:01 pm

I might pop $10k on the eagles to win $300

jimmae · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:46 am

bluehammer wrote:

I might pop $10k on the eagles to win $300

Or drop a fiver in the hope of a nice dinner courtesy of the great CFC!

lucablue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:23 pm **Posts:** 909

Bondi blue wrote:

Quote:

I thought Pagan's view was pretty honest. Take out Kouta and it's a very very young squad.

We've got groups of players, in their teens, early 20's, mid 20's and Whitnall 27, Lappin 30, French 31 and Kouta 32. Bloody young, and young bodies are that aren't fully developed; in height and weight (let alone the skill to play at elite level; to our expectations).

But it was against the eagles we played on a hot balmy night, (them without Cousins, Kerr and Judd) that this team of ours beat them!!

This time it's on their turf (with the inclusion of Cousins and Kerr), and they're playing hot footy. In fact, hey kicked 8 goals in the last quarter last week after they had been battered from pillar to post, but they still have to beat us. We're one up on the eagles in 2006.

If the eagles are not on their game (without Judd) Carlton can pull off a 'miracle' win. Why not? It's not the first time an upset has happened.

All our older guys are not helping our team much atm (Whitnall is not old, he's peaking), and it's the groups of guys mid 20's and kids in the early 20's that are carrying this group, and one teen star. So it wouldn't really be fair to expect the group still in their teens (first years of their footy career) to have to 'survive' in the seniors without much support. Pagan's right about the potential for damage.

Nevertheless, the eagles owe us, and that's in the back of their minds. That alone is incentive enough to beat us. On form they are perhaps a 20 goal better team, and playing on their own turf (a very big ground) definetely favours them.

Quote:

Carlton have 'proven' they can win. Pagan's right, Carlton have won many quarters and halves this year, therefore it's believable that if the 'cards' fall our way against the eagles we could win.There are two big questions I have in his ability to coach us a win on this ground. Will he rotate the players on the big ground? Does he understand the strategy of rotations? Pagan holds the 'cards'.

Good post! I tink the $9 offered by bookmakers for this match are definately over. Then again, I would be happy with a loss less than 60 ponis - what a shocking sign of the times. :cry:

blueslander · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:31 am

I'm with Pagan on this one. I will be putting 50 AUD on the blueboys to win this weekend. For one getting those odds in a two orse race is just amazing. And I have a source at the club... Yes I know I'm way over on the other side of the world but I have to give my amazing theory some credibility.

I heard that prior to the game Pagan is going to let the guys go go-carting (always a sure fire way to ensure a win). This week he is going to hand over the preparation to the players. He did this with some success in the Essendon* game and also he gave them control after half time in the Port game and we played much better in the second half.

We will also have some of the West Australian greats talk before the game. Spalding will address the players about improving their kicking, Buzza will address them on defensive skills and Fitzy can give one of those rousing captain's speeches.

All the ducks are in line for a huge Carlton win. Mark my words we will win, oh yes we will win.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

man pump up the valium
go blues!

nightcrawler · **Joined:** Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:48 am **Posts:** 2891

Sydney Blue wrote:

I was waiting for the poll - pick the margin

10 goals +
12 goals +
14 goals +
16 Goal +
18 Goals +
20 or more
Score board not big enough :cry:

Keep it real Sydney. There's no way we'll win by more than 16 goals.

timetodeliver2004 · **Joined:** Wed May 03, 2006 8:22 pm **Posts:** 816

Yeah, almost too good to be true those odds. Why not just plonk some money on? Potential gain far outweighs the potential loss (depending on how much faith you have in the Blues).

Plus, Eagles have a forward line that actually doesn't trouble our defence too much. Their backline always has trouble containing Fevola. Their midfield......well, lets not get into that. Somewhat contain their midfield and we are in with a chance.

Question is - do we have the fitness and endurance to keep up a hard-running, hard-tackling, shutting the game down gameplan for 4 quarters at Subiaco?

COME ON BLUES! This would make my year!

Rhys26 · **Joined:** Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:12 am **Posts:** 1730

timetodeliver2004 wrote:

Question is - do we have the fitness and endurance to keep up a hard-running, hard-tackling, shutting the game down gameplan for 4 quarters at Subiaco?

Got more chance of winning Powerball then this happening

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