Exactly!

I said that a few weeks ago. Sadly, some members out there are having their say by NOT renewing their membership. Not saying i aggree with them.......just saying i can kinda understand their reasoning.


This is gonna be a really strange comparison but it's a Similar story as to why "Hey Hey It's Saturday" was cancelled.
MAJOR MAJOR HUGELY popular and MUCH LOVED Australian show for many years. Dominated the ratings for decades and was thought to be invincable from it's 6:30pm Saturday timeslot. NOTHING could beat it.

Then all of a suddden, the ratings dropped off. The show wasn't as good.
YES, there was a passionate viewing public out there, but the Producers just didn't do anything about changing the shows format to somehow attract the viewers back to get raitings up again.

We all know damn well what happend.

It's the same story.

Now before you have a go at me...............i don't aggree with NOT signing up as a member as a way of expression your views to the club. But i understand it.
Hell, after all, it's their money.

Walls is right. Carlton fans ahve been promised that there is a light at the end of the tunnel for years now. But alot of us can't see it. We need positive changes at this club come seasons end. And i'm not talking delisting 12 players just by clicking your fingers, i'm talking Pistive changes!

(End Note:- Congrats to the Club & most importantly, Michael Malouf for the announcment on the renovations to take place at Princess Park - These are the type of changes i'm talking about!)

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Most of our supporters hardly know of or have hardly seen Blackwell and some of the other youngsters. Not all supporters are better informed TC tragics. All the majority of Carlton fans see is Prendagast & Sporn and co. turning the ball over every week. They've been seeing that for 4 years. They are saying enough!!

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There's so much I could say...

That's another GREAT post....................and one that backs up my argument.

I can see light at the end of the tunnel because of watching players in the Bullants like Bower, Russell, Jackson, Aisakie, Batson, Raso, Sentanta, FLint, Etc etc etc..............................But alot of Carlton fans out there do not go to the bullants games or read the Supporters Forums.

Hell, my dad's been a Carlton member & fan for maybe 30 years and he has no idea who any of those kids are.

All he see's is the games, and players like Prendagast, Sporn, etc, etc etc.

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
- Aristotle

Maybe our recruiting department could learn something from Grant 'core values' Thomas. You pick the best player available!!

See this is where you guys struggle with certain concepts. It is all well and good to pick the best player but isn't that purely subjective.

At the tend of the 2005 draft how many recruiters had Murphy as 'The Best Player'??? Probably 50% from what I hear.

Sheedy thought Ryder was the #1 pick and a steal at #7.

Rumor has it the Pie recruiters rated Ellis at #1 and Malthouse pulled rank and wanted Thomas ahead of him. How many on TC had Murphy as a clear #1. Who would give him up for another pick at this stage?

Some posters on football sites have suggested Murphy wouldn't make it into the top 12 in this years draft. On current form surely he is still top 3. because he has shown he can step straight into the AFL, get a kick or 20 and contribute to the team.

What actually is 'The best Player' Some years it may be simple. i.e Cooney then daylight. Other years there was the ongoing debate re Judd, Hodge, Ball or more recently Griffen/Deludio.

This year you have Gibbs at 187cm who will develope into an onballer and Sellar 197ish who some say is the next Kernahan and will play KP or even ruck. Which is the better player and who will be of most benefit in the quest to win you a flag????

What wins you games. Onballers or power KPP forwards like Brown and Lynch???. Would the Pies have won the flag a few years back if Rocca played??? Quite possibly. Would the Eagles have won a flag in 2005 with Fevola at FF??? Maybe.

When you get out to the 2nd round in the draft and you have the choice between a young Ruckman, onballer, KPP or rebounding backman, who gets the nod? Obviously it will depend on what you need. When you get to Rds 3 and 4 'The Best Player' senario it virtually gone. There are rarely 'The Best Player' left after pick 45 and it then comes down to the homework you do and most importantly the mind set of the person you pick.

Was Karl Norman (with his childhood problems) a better or worse pick than a young Martin Pike who by all accounts was dead set nutter as a teenager and went on to play in 4 premiership teams. On pure football skill alone Norman could play AFL. He let himself down between the ears and the rest is history.

Lets face it, CFC needs 2 of everything so what is the right choice and what is wrong. If other clubs won't trade picks for our players then we end up with a pick between 1- 4 and then a pick between 16-20 etc etc.

If we do end up with pick 3, 19, 35, 51 then what style of player would you pick. 20 people will have 20 different answers.

BF 2004 Footy Draft had Rosa at 61 and Pearce at 69 so that might suggest that neither were highly rated overall.

Nothing is ever black and white with recruiting. Give the current kids some time and then lets see where we stand.

Regards Cazzesman

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Very well constructed post. An all too rare glimmer of common sense on this board.

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Regardless of what anybody says.....................Murphy would still go top 5 this year.

This year is a 'Talls' draft. The only 'True' midfielder is Selwood really.

Gibbs is a great BHF type player.

Murphy would still go quite high

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It Nearly worked Wallsy

you fired them up

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Well constructed if you're trying to defend our recruiting dept.

Our recruiting dept still needs to be held accountable (not solely though), I think that was the point being made. The job of the recruitment dept is to assess the talent in the draft and then report back to the club who have worked out thei requirements. As we need 2 of everything then we take the best available.

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Agree with everything you say there. Recruiting would have to be the toughest gig going around. Particularly as you pointed out we need 2 of everything. Getting back to the Pies though I thought it was them who first persuaded/pressured Murphy to stay in Melbourne as they rated him as the number 1 (back in July when they were absolute last).
Let’s hope Hartlett can get over those injuries and show us why he was drafted as a 2nd round pick. But please he isn’t a backman - get him in the forward half.
I'm really rapt about Russell I reckon that he will be a great pick up - those responsible for getting him definitely need a slap on the back. Will keep getting better and better – so clean and a beautiful mover.

actually I rather liked Hartlett's NAB performancs down back.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I can confirm 120% that WH and to a lesser extent Sticks ran a highly organised campaign immediately the 2005 U18 Champs finished, to explain to MM and his parents the reasons he should stay in Melbourne to play AFL, thereby giving Melb clubs the opportunity to snare him.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

And that would have been the "vance" blueprint developed in the late 90's. So Murphy's decision is all due to Hughes, give me a break.

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This tops the time I saw a bloke trying to make bronze by smashing copper and tin together.

Worst attempt to combine two seperate things that I have seen in a long, long time.

That's the worst attempt I've seen in putting a sentence together since I was in pre-school.

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Hey Jimmae, you fixed that up pretty quick didn't you!

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What "break" would you like to be given?

Fact is that CFC worked their butts off to convince the Murphy's that Marc would be better served to stay in Melb than get a free ride into Brisbane. What does it matter which argument convinced him? He knew he was a chance to go to a couple of Melb clubs...that was what convinced him to nominate.

The break is, Mrs C, that your mate hughes needs to be held accountable. Murphy was a dorothy, you know what I'm sayin'??? To give him credit for Murphy knocking back Brisbane is sheer folly.

I'm rapt CFC worked their butts off, we need to do this to be competitive. But we have to be better than the others to be successful.

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Hey! All that was being said was that Collingwood weren't the be all and end all of Murph nominating for the draft.

You were the one who came up and said it was just a blueprint from former years.

CFC worked so hard to keep Murph here his family might just as easily have siad "BACK OFF! Leave us alone!"