Cazzesman wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
Rhys26 wrote:
Surely part of a recruiters role is to identify the best young talent. To see young Rosa (pick 29) playing awesome footy for WCE must be a kick in the guts???
This is too true.
I know the jury is still out on Hartlett but isn't it about time that the club was held accountable for missing out on players such as Rosa and Danyle Pearce? I know that all clubs overlook players but Carlton does it way too often.
It is like as if they can't see beyond next season. It seems as if our recruiters are so preoccupied with trying to get a player to fit into a perceived 'gap' in our structure that we ignore some good players just because they don't have some quality that offers an immediate solution.
Maybe our recruiting department could learn something from Grant 'core values' Thomas. You pick the best player available!!
See this is where you guys struggle with certain concepts. It is all well and good to pick the best player but isn't that purely subjective.
At the tend of the 2005 draft how many recruiters had Murphy as 'The Best Player'??? Probably 50% from what I hear.
Sheedy thought Ryder was the #1 pick and a steal at #7.
Rumor has it the Pie recruiters rated Ellis at #1 and Malthouse pulled rank and wanted Thomas ahead of him. How many on TC had Murphy as a clear #1. Who would give him up for another pick at this stage?
Some posters on football sites have suggested Murphy wouldn't make it into the top 12 in this years draft. On current form surely he is still top 3. because he has shown he can step straight into the AFL, get a kick or 20 and contribute to the team.
What actually is 'The best Player' Some years it may be simple. i.e Cooney then daylight. Other years there was the ongoing debate re Judd, Hodge, Ball or more recently Griffen/Deludio.
This year you have Gibbs at 187cm who will develope into an onballer and Sellar 197ish who some say is the next Kernahan and will play KP or even ruck. Which is the better player and who will be of most benefit in the quest to win you a flag????
What wins you games. Onballers or power KPP forwards like Brown and Lynch???. Would the Pies have won the flag a few years back if Rocca played??? Quite possibly. Would the Eagles have won a flag in 2005 with Fevola at FF??? Maybe.
When you get out to the 2nd round in the draft and you have the choice between a young Ruckman, onballer, KPP or rebounding backman, who gets the nod? Obviously it will depend on what you need. When you get to Rds 3 and 4 'The Best Player' senario it virtually gone. There are rarely 'The Best Player' left after pick 45 and it then comes down to the homework you do and most importantly the mind set of the person you pick.
Was Karl Norman (with his childhood problems) a better or worse pick than a young Martin Pike who by all accounts was dead set nutter as a teenager and went on to play in 4 premiership teams. On pure football skill alone Norman could play AFL. He let himself down between the ears and the rest is history.
Lets face it, CFC needs 2 of everything so what is the right choice and what is wrong. If other clubs won't trade picks for our players then we end up with a pick between 1- 4 and then a pick between 16-20 etc etc.
If we do end up with pick 3, 19, 35, 51 then what style of player would you pick. 20 people will have 20 different answers.
BF 2004 Footy Draft had Rosa at 61 and Pearce at 69 so that might suggest that neither were highly rated overall.
Nothing is ever black and white with recruiting. Give the current kids some time and then lets see where we stand.
Regards Cazzesman Cazzessman - I think I've read somewhere that Hartlett had queries over his body during his junior years (ie whether his body could stand up to the rigours of AFL). If this is true, then I would have an issue with his selection.
Given our situation I would think that we would be better served erring on the side of caution and selecting a player who has the least risk of 'failure' rather than gambling on a player who has potentially got a greater upside but is a much higher risk.
Post Hartlett picks that have played AFL (off the top of my head from a quick scan of the players)
- matt little, matt rosa, jarred moore, brent prismall, fabian deluca, ivan maric, justin sherman, jaydan attard, adam iacobucci, chris knights, matt egan, josh gibson, danyle pearce, dale morris, luke vogels.
Thats a fair list and a few of them have shown a bit - so from that aspect there was still some talent available in the draft. So why did we take a gamble on an injury prone player?
Also, note that I'm not suggesting that the CFC recruiting staff should have selected the best player from the above list (perhaps, of the players selected post-hartlett the best player is yet to make his debut)
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